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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 21:28:01 GMT
Because not all immigrants are workers? At any rate, let's get back to the point -- that we now have higher non-EU immigration.
why is this an issue to you? We now, thanks to brexit, have immigration based on the needs of the UK - some people think the level is OK, some want it higher, and some want it lower. But the beauty of Brexit is that it is now a decision that can be made by the UK Government in Westminster. FWIW you had better get used to it because Labour have already said they will increase immigration.  It's an issue in so far as the Brexit aim to drive away FOC nationals and reduce immigration to the "already congested" island has failed. At this stage, what you saying are all meaningless or they don't have substance. Immigration is based on the needs of the UK but then you discover that a large portion of it students and asylum grantees from Ukraine and HK. The UK now decides which trade deal to pursue only to find out that there are hardly any trade deals out there that would enhance the economy in a substantial way. I'm all for immigration. Hopefully, you wouldn't mind so much if EU nationals were to consider the UK to be worthy of their return. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 11, 2023 21:31:54 GMT
why is this an issue to you? We now, thanks to brexit, have immigration based on the needs of the UK - some people think the level is OK, some want it higher, and some want it lower. But the beauty of Brexit is that it is now a decision that can be made by the UK Government in Westminster. FWIW you had better get used to it because Labour have already said they will increase immigration. It's an issue in so far as the Brexit aim to drive away FOC nationals and reduce immigration to the "already congested" island has failed. The aim was to make the decision about who comes here one for the UK Government - it has succeeded in doing that. OK you might be upset that more non-EU migrants are coming in compared to ones from the EU, but that is democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 21:34:13 GMT
Turkey. But let's get one thing straight first. Nige and Co. did not blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants. They blamed the EU for the UK having too many additional immigrants from the EU. As for Turkey and its supposed "imminent" ascension to the EU: Nige and Co. gaslighted people by claiming that the Turks were coming by the hundreds of thousand, bringing with them hundreds of thousands of economic migrants using Turkey as a conduit country. Hence, THAT poster. Now? Turkey's still outside the EU and will most likely never ever join the EU. And because Brexit alienated these dreadful, tax paying, NI contributing, business enhancing Eastern Europeans; they returned home. They ain't coming back and I don't blame them. Now, we have more non EU immigrants. I wonder what Nige and Co have to say about that. Yeah, the left has the tendency to moan and groan about every single thing. It's almost a given. No need to raise that point. So your Op says “Non-EU workers outnumber EU ones in various UK sectors in post-Brexit shift” and you follow that by pointing out the Farage was wrong about Turkey joining the EU . Do you actually have a point to make ? I'm not pointing out that Farage and Co. were wrong about Turkey. I am pointing out they knew about Turkey. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 21:38:41 GMT
So your Op says “Non-EU workers outnumber EU ones in various UK sectors in post-Brexit shift” and you follow that by pointing out the Farage was wrong about Turkey joining the EU . Do you actually have a point to make ? I'm not pointing out that Farage and Co. were wrong about Turkey. I am pointing out they knew about Turkey. Turkey wasn’t mentioned in the OP. Turkey only popped up when you discovered that Farage has no problem with non EU immigrants . In fact he preferred Indians to Europeans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 21:41:15 GMT
It's an issue in so far as the Brexit aim to drive away FOC nationals and reduce immigration to the "already congested" island has failed. The aim was to make the decision about who comes here one for the UK Government - it has succeeded in doing that. OK you might be upset that more non-EU migrants are coming in compared to ones from the EU, but that is democracy.You will have to direct that statement to Brexit supporters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 21:44:48 GMT
I'm not pointing out that Farage and Co. were wrong about Turkey. I am pointing out they knew about Turkey. Turkey wasn’t mentioned in the OP. Turkey only popped up when you discovered that Farage has no problem with non EU immigrants . In fact he preferred Indians to Europeans. No. Turkey popped up when you asked : "Please point out the argument Farage used to blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants." I would have thought that your counter argument would be along the lines of Farage did not use Turkey (as an argument) to blame the EU. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 21:49:31 GMT
Turkey wasn’t mentioned in the OP. Turkey only popped up when you discovered that Farage has no problem with non EU immigrants . In fact he preferred Indians to Europeans. No. Turkey popped up when you asked : "Please point out the argument Farage used to blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants." I would have thought that your counter argument would be along the lines of Farage did not use Turkey (as an argument) to blame the EU. You say that Farage claimed Turkey was about to join the EU. So how does a claim that Turkey will JOIN the EU equate to blaming the EU for having too many NON EU immigrants ? As I said Turkey popped up when you realised you had no argument . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 22:05:02 GMT
No. Turkey popped up when you asked : "Please point out the argument Farage used to blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants." I would have thought that your counter argument would be along the lines of Farage did not use Turkey (as an argument) to blame the EU. You say that Farage claimed Turkey was about to join the EU. So how does a claim that Turkey will JOIN the EU equate to blaming the EU for having too many NON EU immigrants ? As I said Turkey popped up when you realised you had no argument . Farage's poster depicted a very long line of migrants with the caption "Breaking Point: The EU Failed Us All". That was with reference to asylum crisis in 2015. Turkey was conduit country because to the left of it was Greece and Bulgaria, then Romania further to the right. And the issue of Turkey's long frozen application to join the EU came to the fore because of it. Nigel Farage and his UKIP nationalists -- if not stated -- suggested, insinuated, implied that Turkey was about to be given accession to the EU which would have opened the flood gates not only to millions of Turks but to hundreds of thousands of migrants from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia, etc. etc. As I pointed out to you, Turkey was my argument. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 22:19:49 GMT
You say that Farage claimed Turkey was about to join the EU. So how does a claim that Turkey will JOIN the EU equate to blaming the EU for having too many NON EU immigrants ? As I said Turkey popped up when you realised you had no argument . Farage's poster depicted a very long line of migrants with the caption "Breaking Point: The EU Failed Us All". That was with reference to asylum crisis in 2015. Turkey was conduit country because to the left of it was Greece and Bulgaria, then Romania further to the right. And the issue of Turkey's long frozen application to join the EU came to the fore because of it. Nigel Farage and his UKIP nationalists -- if not stated -- suggested, insinuated, implied that Turkey was about to be given accession to the EU which would have opened the flood gates not only to millions of Turks but to hundreds of thousands of migrants from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia, etc. etc. As I pointed out to you, Turkey was my argument. You had no argument. You didn't mention Turkey in the OP. The OP was about non EU migrants . You introduced a claim that Farage said Turkey was JOINING the EU after you found out Farag3 had no problem with non EU migrants . I can keep pointing out your non argument every time you pretend that you have one but I’ll save time and cut and paste to save time . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 22:28:28 GMT
Farage's poster depicted a very long line of migrants with the caption "Breaking Point: The EU Failed Us All". That was with reference to asylum crisis in 2015. Turkey was conduit country because to the left of it was Greece and Bulgaria, then Romania further to the right. And the issue of Turkey's long frozen application to join the EU came to the fore because of it. Nigel Farage and his UKIP nationalists -- if not stated -- suggested, insinuated, implied that Turkey was about to be given accession to the EU which would have opened the flood gates not only to millions of Turks but to hundreds of thousands of migrants from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia, etc. etc. As I pointed out to you, Turkey was my argument. You had no argument. You didn't mention Turkey in the OP. The OP was about non EU migrants . You introduced a claim that Farage said Turkey was JOINING the EU after you found out Farag3 had no problem with non EU migrants . I can keep pointing out your non argument every time you pretend that you have one but I’ll save time and cut and paste to save time . You: "Please point out the argument Farage used to blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants." Me: "...let's get one thing straight first. Nige and Co. did not blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants. They blamed the EU for the UK having too many additional immigrants from the EU. As for Turkey and its supposed "imminent" ascension to the EU: Nige and Co. gaslighted people by claiming that the Turks were coming by the hundreds of thousand, bringing with them hundreds of thousands of economic migrants using Turkey as a conduit country." I clarified my argument to you. The ball is in your court -- your task is to argue against it if you don't agree with it. I trust it's clear to you now. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 22:37:12 GMT
You had no argument. You didn't mention Turkey in the OP. The OP was about non EU migrants . You introduced a claim that Farage said Turkey was JOINING the EU after you found out Farag3 had no problem with non EU migrants . I can keep pointing out your non argument every time you pretend that you have one but I’ll save time and cut and paste to save time . You: "Please point out the argument Farage used to blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants." Me: "...let's get one thing straight first. Nige and Co. did not blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants. They blamed the EU for the UK having too many additional immigrants from the EU. As for Turkey and its supposed "imminent" ascension to the EU: Nige and Co. gaslighted people by claiming that the Turks were coming by the hundreds of thousand, bringing with them hundreds of thousands of economic migrants using Turkey as a conduit country." I clarified my argument to you. The ball is in your court -- your task is to argue against it if you don't agree with it. I trust it's clear to you now. Nope. You constructed the Turkey argument after you found out that Farage had no problem with non EU migrants . The OP was about non EU migrants and your new argument is about Farage claiming that a Turkey was JOINING the EU ( so they weren’t going to be non EU migrants were they ?). You clarified nothing, you changed the goalposts when your argument was found to be a non point . It was always clear to me . If you want to argue Farage claimed Turkey was going to join the EU then go ahead but don’t pretend it was the subject of the OP. I trust that’s clear to you now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 22:46:22 GMT
You: "Please point out the argument Farage used to blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants." Me: "...let's get one thing straight first. Nige and Co. did not blame the EU for the UK having too many non EU immigrants. They blamed the EU for the UK having too many additional immigrants from the EU. As for Turkey and its supposed "imminent" ascension to the EU: Nige and Co. gaslighted people by claiming that the Turks were coming by the hundreds of thousand, bringing with them hundreds of thousands of economic migrants using Turkey as a conduit country." I clarified my argument to you. The ball is in your court -- your task is to argue against it if you don't agree with it. I trust it's clear to you now. Nope. You constructed the Turkey argument after you found out that Farage had no problem with non EU migrants . The OP was about non EU migrants and your new argument is about Farage claiming that a Turkey was JOINING the EU ( so they weren’t going to be non EU migrants were they ?). You clarified nothing, you changed the goalposts when your argument was found to be a non point . It was always clear to me . If you want to argue Farage claimed Turkey was going to join the EU then go ahead but don’t pretend it was the subject of the OP. I trust that’s clear to you now. I have always been aware of Farage's statement about his position on non-EU migrants. I even raised the issue about his poster even before I said "Turkey." And as a reminder, Nige's poster was about Turkey and its application to join the EU. Or at least that was the point I was making. Sorry, you keep missing it. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 22:52:19 GMT
Nope. You constructed the Turkey argument after you found out that Farage had no problem with non EU migrants . The OP was about non EU migrants and your new argument is about Farage claiming that a Turkey was JOINING the EU ( so they weren’t going to be non EU migrants were they ?). You clarified nothing, you changed the goalposts when your argument was found to be a non point . It was always clear to me . If you want to argue Farage claimed Turkey was going to join the EU then go ahead but don’t pretend it was the subject of the OP. I trust that’s clear to you now. I have always been aware of Farage's statement about his position on non-EU migrants. I even raised the issue about his poster even before I said "Turkey." And as a reminder, Nige's poster was about Turkey and its application to join the EU. Or at least that was the point I was making. Sorry, you keep missing it. I missed nothing.Not least your attempt to move the goalposts mid thread . At least you have highlighted Farage is not a racist . Well done . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 23:01:40 GMT
I have always been aware of Farage's statement about his position on non-EU migrants. I even raised the issue about his poster even before I said "Turkey." And as a reminder, Nige's poster was about Turkey and its application to join the EU. Or at least that was the point I was making. Sorry, you keep missing it. I missed nothing.Not least your attempt to move the goalposts mid thread . At least you have highlighted Farage is not a racist . Well done . You asked what my point was. I answered. You missed it. I directed you to it. Still couldn't see it. I clarified it. Yet, you still insist you missed nothing when clearly you have. It's either you're blind or playing blind to pivot from an argument you can't counter. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 23:15:43 GMT
I missed nothing.Not least your attempt to move the goalposts mid thread . At least you have highlighted Farage is not a racist . Well done . You asked what my point was. I answered. You missed it. I directed you to it. Still couldn't see it. I clarified it. Yet, you still insist you missed nothing when clearly you have. It's either you're blind or playing blind to pivot from an argument you can't counter. I didn’t miss it . You had no point in the first place so you constructed one mid thread which contradicted your first point . You had no argument to counter after moving the goalposts . Gnomes non point….Non-EU workers outnumber EU ones in various UK sectors and you back that up by arguing Farage claimed Turkey was joining the EU t hus increasing the number of EU workers from Turkey.
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