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Post by oracle75 on Jun 9, 2023 12:05:40 GMT
My dear Bubbles if you want to post in the EU section of this forum, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. As in any other issue, none of the general electorate is told the details of ongoing discussions about the spending of communal funds. You are not told of the minutes of for example the spendung budget in education until it is agreed. The details of the contracts between the EU and vaccine suppliers are currently ongoing. So since no conclusion has been reached, and nothing about them affects you other than your obsessive need to troll, you might find more fertile ground elsewhere. Do another round of your bowl though i admit, you look equally ridiculous from any angle. Kim, the only person who has a reputation of not knowing what they're talking about is you I'm afraid. The EU ombudsman and MEP's aren't even privy to the contract that has already been negotiated with Pfizer according to the Commission. You seem to struggle with the basics Dim and have made up out of thin air the opinion, misguided as it is that contract negotiations are ongoing. You should follow your on advice little miss bossy boots. Nothing passes without parliamentary approval. So it isnt decided yet. You are showing very deep holes in what you think you know, Bubbles. I take it you have forgotten the earlier link which explained that Eastern Europe want to reduce their number of doses seeing as they are more concerned about financing any war that results from the Ukranian war and by having to support refugees from Ukraine. So no. The issue is not settled. It is still being addressed. No government discloses details of negotiations. Especially to uninvolved trolls. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 9, 2023 16:28:08 GMT
No word of complaint from Vinny about the fact that unelected common law judges make laws in the UK that effect people on a much deeper level (family law (access to children), criminal laws that see people deprived of their liberty, etc. And that supposes that the Commission even makes laws. It doesn't. But if it did, they wouldn't be as far-reaching as those made by the unelected common law judiciary. Judges are qualified. The Commission are neither qualified, accountable or democratic. Commissioners are fully accountable to the head of the member state who appoints them and can be recalled at any time. They can also be dismissed by a vote in the EU parliament. Finally since they cannot vote on any proposed legislation, they are nationally neutral and work only for the smooth running and benefit of the EU. When picking sides it is best to know what the other side looks like, Bubbles. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 9, 2023 22:33:16 GMT
Judges are qualified. The Commission are neither qualified, accountable or democratic. Commissioners are fully accountable to the head of the member state who appoints them and can be recalled at any time. They can also be dismissed by a vote in the EU parliament. Finally since they cannot vote on any proposed legislation, they are nationally neutral and work only for the smooth running and benefit of the EU. When picking sides it is best to know what the other side looks like, Bubbles. Maybe you can talk to this rather than irrelevancies. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 10, 2023 7:00:10 GMT
No government makes pre agreement negotiations publically available.
At any level in any country or political organisation.
Reasons...security, the press and the possibility of corruption.
The EU will let you know the outcome when it has been agreed by the 27, which has nothing to do with you.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 10, 2023 12:17:49 GMT
No government makes pre agreement negotiations publically available. At any level in any country or political organisation. Reasons...security, the press and the possibility of corruption. The EU will let you know the outcome when it has been agreed by the 27, which has nothing to do with you. You are correct, I won't be getting ripped off for a Covid bill poorly negotiated on my behalf by some foreigner. You will though. But I can still discuss this much to your disgruntlement. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 13:01:48 GMT
No government makes pre agreement negotiations publically available. At any level in any country or political organisation. Reasons...security, the press and the possibility of corruption. The EU will let you know the outcome when it has been agreed by the 27, which has nothing to do with you. You are correct, I won't be getting ripped off for a Covid bill poorly negotiated on my behalf by some foreigner. You will though. But I can still discuss this much to your disgruntlement. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!! Remind us how much the useless test and trace app cost, Bubbles!! £22 billion? More? The EU had a lucky escape there. If the Conservatives had still been influential players in the EU, the EU could have got dragged into that. The Conservatives could have exported all the morbid delights of the Tory-created Plague Island to the Continent.  |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 10, 2023 15:37:58 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 10, 2023 22:13:19 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 22:29:46 GMT
The EU had a lucky escape, Bubbles. The Torys would probably have talked them into participating in the Test and Trace app if the UK was still a member. Then, they'd have a bill for £20 billion. And the whole Continent could have shared the joys of the Tory-created Plague Island. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 10, 2023 22:42:33 GMT
The EU had a lucky escape, Bubbles. The Torys would probably have talked them into participating in the Test and Trace app if the UK was still a member. Then, they'd have a bill for £20 billion. And the whole Continent could have shared the joys of the Tory-created Plague Island. This thread is about the UK's lucky escape and the fuck up the EU made again with their vaccines. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 22:45:49 GMT
The EU had a lucky escape, Bubbles. The Torys would probably have talked them into participating in the Test and Trace app if the UK was still a member. Then, they'd have a bill for £20 billion. And the whole Continent could have shared the joys of the Tory-created Plague Island. This thread is about the UK's lucky escape and the fuck up the EU made again with their vaccines. But the first sentence of the OP is a lie. And the EU did have a lucky escape. So, congrats are in order, Bubs. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 10, 2023 22:47:22 GMT
This thread is about the UK's lucky escape and the fuck up the EU made again with their vaccines. But the first sentence of the OP is a lie. And the EU did have a lucky escape. So, congrats are in order, Bubs. No lies about the EU in this thread I'm afraid. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 22:52:01 GMT
But the first sentence of the OP is a lie. And the EU did have a lucky escape. So, congrats are in order, Bubs. No lies about the EU in this thread I'm afraid. So, you deny that the independent Belgian court found that AZ broke its contract with the EU? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 10, 2023 22:59:37 GMT
No lies about the EU in this thread I'm afraid. So, you deny that the independent Belgian court found that AZ broke its contract with the EU? The EU mismanaged its vaccine program as stated in the OP. From what we're seeing now in the aftermath of a global pandemic EU people will have a huge bill to pay for over the coming years for vaccines that are over ordered. Re-AZ well, the WHO even criticised the way the EU placed export controls on AZ vaccines, petty tantrums and threats to unilaterally invoke Art. 16. They've fucked vaccine procurement up in one way or another and there is no hiding from that. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 23:06:43 GMT
So, you deny that the independent Belgian court found that AZ broke its contract with the EU? The EU mismanaged its vaccine program as stated in the OP. From what we're seeing now in the aftermath of a global pandemic EU people will have a huge bill to pay for over the coming years for vaccines that are over ordered. Re-AZ well, the WHO even criticised the way the EU placed export controls on AZ vaccines, petty tantrums and threats to unilaterally invoke Art. 16. They've fucked vaccine procurement up in one way or another and there is no hiding from that. The EU didn't mismanage it. AZ broke its contract. There were no vaccines for the EU to manage or mismanage. Boris had them. And he still managed to turn the UK into Plague Island. What can you do with someone like that? He had an enormous stroke of luck, and he still managed to stack the bodies high. |
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