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Post by wapentake on Jun 8, 2023 7:24:38 GMT
This thread is about the EU. Try not to troll. Try not to divert it. If you've got nothing to add about how the Commission are keeping the deal with Pfizer tightly under wraps and away from public interest, then you're better off saying nothing. Thank you. When the management makes you a mod you may have the right to bully members. Until then, STFU. From the same source as the OP but in a c9ncurrenr article: The Commission announced that the two parties had agreed Pfizer would spread out deliveries over the course of the next four years, into 2027, and to reduce the total amount of doses down from the 450 million that were due to be delivered this year. However, the Commission didn’t disclose the new total in its announcement. When asked by POLITICO about the revised delivery figure, Commission Health Spokesperson Stefan de Keersmaecker referred POLITICO to EU member countries for a response. Snip A total of nine other countries from the region joined Poland in lobbying for a renegotiation, complaining that they were stuck buying doses that they no longer needed, at a time of economic difficulty caused by the energy shock, and while having to spend money to take care of refugees from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The group of countries wanting to renegotiate the contract also have lower vaccination rates than their Western European counterparts. www.politico.eu/article/eu-pfizer-renegotiate-coronavirus-vaccine-contract/I see no giant issues here. The EU contracted for doses, got the contract reduced and some less prosperous countries want to reduce their number of doses. The renegotiations are still underway. Does any government make every step in negotiations public? I suggest the simplest organic molecule would know the answer is no. So stop making stories out of nothing. It makes you sound desperate. And it has already been agreed that any extra vaccine can go to underdeveloped countries. A generosity Ivassume the UK cannot afford.We,well I say we in loosest possible terms reserve our generosity for underdeveloped nations who possess nuclear weapons and have space programs,perhaps we are keeping reserves in order to compensate more countries for things that happened a few hundred years ago. It’s little use pointing to Boris or whoever and saying but he made mistakes too so ner! what cannot be escaped is that the common market which wasn’t a bad idea was transformed bit by bit and treaty by treaty without reference to the people of the constituent nations in to the eu. I’ve little doubt that in the decades to come the creatures who reside in Westminster will do their best to engineer a return to Brussels,let’s face it they’ve done their best thus far to thwart brexit. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 8, 2023 7:49:04 GMT
LOL! That's not what the Belgian court held. They held that AZ broke their contract. Johnson got those vaccines by a complete fluke. You don't think it was a stroke of strategic genius on his part, do you? Boris Johnson? Creator of Plague Island? It was a stroke of luck, the result of disgusting unprincipled behaviour by AZ. Not only did the EU demonstrate its own "unprincipled" behaviour with its vaccine nationalism, raiding warehouses in Italy, blocking delivery to Australia, the UK and threatening to place a border on the island of Ireland in a temper tantrum. It now demonstrates its unprincipled behaviour again, because again it looks as though it fucked up its contract with Pfizer leaving nations states with astronomical bills and making sure nobody from the EU ombudsman to MEP's gets to look at the debt that has been racked up on behalf of the "citizens" of EU. What a joke. Glad the UK dodged that expensive bullet! Nah! The EU made a timely contract with AZ. Its contract was just as binding as the one Johnson's government signed. But for some reason, the CEO of AZ decided to go with Johnson. Maybe, he thought there was a knighthood or some other honour in it for him. Who knows? Johnson didn't pull off a strategic coup. Johnson's contracts and international agreements are just plain shit. The Australians are laughing at the deal his government organised. The man who got the EU's vaccines couldn't even take advantage of this tremendous stroke of luck. He still managed to make the UK the death capitol of Europe. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 8, 2023 8:16:58 GMT
When the management makes you a mod you may have the right to bully members. Until then, STFU. From the same source as the OP but in a c9ncurrenr article: The Commission announced that the two parties had agreed Pfizer would spread out deliveries over the course of the next four years, into 2027, and to reduce the total amount of doses down from the 450 million that were due to be delivered this year. However, the Commission didn’t disclose the new total in its announcement. When asked by POLITICO about the revised delivery figure, Commission Health Spokesperson Stefan de Keersmaecker referred POLITICO to EU member countries for a response. Snip A total of nine other countries from the region joined Poland in lobbying for a renegotiation, complaining that they were stuck buying doses that they no longer needed, at a time of economic difficulty caused by the energy shock, and while having to spend money to take care of refugees from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The group of countries wanting to renegotiate the contract also have lower vaccination rates than their Western European counterparts. www.politico.eu/article/eu-pfizer-renegotiate-coronavirus-vaccine-contract/I see no giant issues here. The EU contracted for doses, got the contract reduced and some less prosperous countries want to reduce their number of doses. The renegotiations are still underway. Does any government make every step in negotiations public? I suggest the simplest organic molecule would know the answer is no. So stop making stories out of nothing. It makes you sound desperate. And it has already been agreed that any extra vaccine can go to underdeveloped countries. A generosity Ivassume the UK cannot afford.We,well I say we in loosest possible terms reserve our generosity for underdeveloped nations who possess nuclear weapons and have space programs,perhaps we are keeping reserves in order to compensate more countries for things that happened a few hundred years ago. It’s little use pointing to Boris or whoever and saying but he made mistakes too so ner! what cannot be escaped is that the common market which wasn’t a bad idea was transformed bit by bit and treaty by treaty without reference to the people of the constituent nations in to the eu. I’ve little doubt that in the decades to come the creatures who reside in Westminster will do their best to engineer a return to Brussels,let’s face it they’ve done their best thus far to thwart brexit. Perhaps you could take Goldfish's advice and discuss the subject. Not your bigotry about third world countries or your potted history of the EU. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 8, 2023 8:22:20 GMT
We,well I say we in loosest possible terms reserve our generosity for underdeveloped nations who possess nuclear weapons and have space programs,perhaps we are keeping reserves in order to compensate more countries for things that happened a few hundred years ago. It’s little use pointing to Boris or whoever and saying but he made mistakes too so ner! what cannot be escaped is that the common market which wasn’t a bad idea was transformed bit by bit and treaty by treaty without reference to the people of the constituent nations in to the eu. I’ve little doubt that in the decades to come the creatures who reside in Westminster will do their best to engineer a return to Brussels,let’s face it they’ve done their best thus far to thwart brexit. Perhaps you could take Goldfish's advice and discuss the subject. Not your bigotry about third world countries or your potted history of the EU. Since you intervened, he decided to examine your crassness. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 8:29:58 GMT
Not only did the EU demonstrate its own "unprincipled" behaviour with its vaccine nationalism, raiding warehouses in Italy, blocking delivery to Australia, the UK and threatening to place a border on the island of Ireland in a temper tantrum. It now demonstrates its unprincipled behaviour again, because again it looks as though it fucked up its contract with Pfizer leaving nations states with astronomical bills and making sure nobody from the EU ombudsman to MEP's gets to look at the debt that has been racked up on behalf of the "citizens" of EU. What a joke. Glad the UK dodged that expensive bullet! Nah! The EU made a timely contract with AZ. Its contract was just as binding as the one Johnson's government signed. But for some reason, the CEO of AZ decided to go with Johnson. Maybe, he thought there was a knighthood or some other honour in it for him. Who knows? Johnson didn't pull off a strategic coup. Johnson's contracts and international agreements are just plain shit. The Australians are laughing at the deal his government organised. The man who got the EU's vaccines couldn't even take advantage of this tremendous stroke of luck. He still managed to make the UK the death capitol of Europe. Not too keen discussing the the linked articel in the OP. Nice swerve. Thanks for the tacit admittance regarding the EU's latest "unprincipled" behaviour. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 8, 2023 8:30:49 GMT
Nah! The EU made a timely contract with AZ. Its contract was just as binding as the one Johnson's government signed. But for some reason, the CEO of AZ decided to go with Johnson. Maybe, he thought there was a knighthood or some other honour in it for him. Who knows? Johnson didn't pull off a strategic coup. Johnson's contracts and international agreements are just plain shit. The Australians are laughing at the deal his government organised. The man who got the EU's vaccines couldn't even take advantage of this tremendous stroke of luck. He still managed to make the UK the death capitol of Europe. Not too keen discussing the OP. Nice swerve. I'm discussing the first sentence in the OP, Bubbles. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 8:32:15 GMT
Not too keen discussing the OP. Nice swerve. I'm discussing the first sentence in the OP, Bubbles. Because anything else would mean you have to criticise the EU. And we couldn't have that now could we Hermy? Nice to see you back in the EU section - Monte let you off the hook? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 8, 2023 8:33:34 GMT
I'm discussing the first sentence in the OP, Bubbles. Because anything else would mean you have to criticise the EU. And we couldn't have that now could we Hermy? Nice to see you back in the EU section - Monte let you off the hook? I am Hermy. You shall call me Hermy.  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 8:38:28 GMT
Because anything else would mean you have to criticise the EU. And we couldn't have that now could we Hermy? Nice to see you back in the EU section - Monte let you off the hook? I am Hermy. You shall call me Hermy. Fine. No bother here. It's just that last week you identified as Karl Marx. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 8, 2023 8:44:28 GMT
I am Hermy. You shall call me Hermy. Fine. No bother here. It's just that last week you identified as Karl Marx. Next week, I'm Engels. It's all go when you're woke, Bubbles. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 8, 2023 8:55:45 GMT
We,well I say we in loosest possible terms reserve our generosity for underdeveloped nations who possess nuclear weapons and have space programs,perhaps we are keeping reserves in order to compensate more countries for things that happened a few hundred years ago. It’s little use pointing to Boris or whoever and saying but he made mistakes too so ner! what cannot be escaped is that the common market which wasn’t a bad idea was transformed bit by bit and treaty by treaty without reference to the people of the constituent nations in to the eu. I’ve little doubt that in the decades to come the creatures who reside in Westminster will do their best to engineer a return to Brussels,let’s face it they’ve done their best thus far to thwart brexit. Perhaps you could take Goldfish's advice and discuss the subject. Not your bigotry about third world countries or your potted history of the EU. What you mean your swipe at the UK’s lack of generosity (or not) concerning surplus vaccines cannot be commented on? Do you need reminding just a few short posts ago you said this So like some who voted remain your view of the right of reply,democracy and freedom to speak only applies when it aligns with your view. Glad that was made clear  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 9:01:22 GMT
Fine. No bother here. It's just that last week you identified as Karl Marx. Next week, I'm Engels. It's all go when you're woke, Bubbles. Hermy, I would have thought that next week you'll be Freud. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 8, 2023 9:01:55 GMT
Next week, I'm Engels. It's all go when you're woke, Bubbles. Hermy, I would have thought that next week you'll be Freud. Freudy Hermy. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 8, 2023 9:04:58 GMT
Next week, I'm Engels. It's all go when you're woke, Bubbles. Hermy, I would have thought that next week you'll be Freud. Don't you mean fraud? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 9:13:41 GMT
Hermy, I would have thought that next week you'll be Freud. Freudy Hermy. Childhood sexuality crossed with Hermy. You're willing to be anything to divert inevitable and legitimate criticism towards ze Commission, eh, Freudy Hermy? |
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