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Post by buccaneer on Jun 6, 2023 0:52:37 GMT
After mismanaging its deal with Astra-Zeneca, the latest embarrassment for the EU and its procurement vaccine negotiators is for the EU Commission to block publication of its contract with Pfizer. www.politico.eu/article/covid19-european-commission-ursula-von-der-leyen-pfizer-the-eu-and-disappearing-ink/It appears the old adage about the Commission being unelected and unaccountable is still valid today. Just imagine the size of the bill had the UK taxpayer been expected to pay if it were still in the EU, and on top of that it would have to be paid without knowing what the deal actually is, and taken on Von der Leyen's say so. Phew. Another bullet dodged.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 6, 2023 1:21:09 GMT
Fear not, the usual suspects will be along to 'prove' you wrong and wave the EU flag. Of course they may not appear, they often don't when the evidence is damning.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 7, 2023 9:12:29 GMT
Fear not, the usual suspects will be along to 'prove' you wrong and wave the EU flag. Of course they may not appear, they often don't when the evidence is damning. Yep. Think you're right Red. The silence from our resident Europhiles is quite deafening.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 7, 2023 9:51:32 GMT
The Commission hasn't told them what to say about it.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 7, 2023 10:28:24 GMT
Government agrees new deals to future proof vaccine rollout in light of new variant Government signs contracts to buy a total of 114 million additional Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna doses for 2022 and 2023
From: Department of Health and Social Care Published 2 December 2021
Deals include 60 million additional doses of the Moderna vaccine and 54 million more Pfizer/BioNTech doses New agreements to future proof booster programme sped up in light of new variant The government has signed new contracts to secure the supply of our vaccine stock to future proof the country’s vaccine programme.
The new contracts with Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were accelerated in light of the new variant, as part of the ongoing efforts to ensure the government is doing everything it can while scientists across the world learn more about Omicron. These future supply deals include access to modified vaccines if they are needed to combat Omicron and future Variants of Concern, to prepare for all eventualities.
The agreements signed through the Vaccine Taskforce are building on existing partnerships with the vaccine companies, and will see the government procure a total of 114 million additional doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines for 2022 and 2023. This is in addition to the 35 million additional doses of Pfizer/BioNTech ordered in August for delivery in the second half of next year, and the 60 million Novavax and 7.5 million GSK/Sanofi doses expected in 2022.
Obviously you werent told.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 7, 2023 10:40:39 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 7, 2023 11:36:55 GMT
Rehad properly. It extends into 22 and 23.
The UK is still under contract with companies producing vaccines for the third world. Keep up at the back.
btw it is hilarious to see you trying to make a case of secrecy against the EU when the secrecy and corruption in the UK eearned coverage as far as the New York Times.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 7, 2023 11:47:54 GMT
The EU properly fucked up procurement and its voters cannot sack the useless Commission.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 7, 2023 11:56:42 GMT
The EU properly fucked up procurement and its voters cannot sack the useless Commission. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Michelle Mone and other well placed Tories arent complaining.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 7, 2023 12:30:58 GMT
After mismanaging its deal with Astra-Zeneca, The EU didn’t mismanage its deal with Astra-Zeneca. An independent Belgian court found that AZ committed ‘a serious breach of contract’. The EU took AZ to court knowing that it was unlikely that their damages claims would be satisfied. They weren’t interested in damages as much as a public declaration by an independent court that AZ was wrong and they were right. They got that in spades. When you sue someone for damages for breach of contract, you are looking to claim the profits you would have received if the other party had honoured his contract. If John offers to sell 10 of product x to Mary at £10 each, and Mary intends to resell each of those to the public at £15 each, then Mary will have lost a profit of £50 (10 x 5) if John breaks his contract and fails to deliver. She is entitled to sue John for £50 because he has denied her the chance to make that profit by breaking the contract. But what happens if Mary had no intention of making a profit? What happens if Mary intended to buy product X at £10 and resell them to a third party at £10? In that case, Mary cannot sue John for her lost profits because she never intended to make a profit from the transaction. So, even if Mary sues John, she will not get anything. All she will get is a declaration from the court that John broke his contract. This is exactly what happened when the EU sued AZ. They knew that their claim for damages was a non-runner, but their damages claims were very much a secondary matter. They wanted to be exonerated and they wanted the blame for what happened to be attributed to AZ’s unprincipled conduct. They got that.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 7, 2023 20:57:48 GMT
Rehad properly. It extends into 22 and 23. The UK is still under contract with companies producing vaccines for the third world. Keep up at the back. btw it is hilarious to see you trying to make a case of secrecy against the EU when the secrecy and corruption in the UK eearned coverage as far as the New York Times. This thread is about the EU. Try not to troll. Try not to divert it. If you've got nothing to add about how the Commission are keeping the deal with Pfizer tightly under wraps and away from public interest, then you're better off saying nothing. Thank you.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 7, 2023 23:29:17 GMT
The EU properly fucked up procurement and its voters cannot sack the useless Commission. LOL! That's not what the Belgian court held. They held that AZ broke their contract. Johnson got those vaccines by a complete fluke. You don't think it was a stroke of strategic genius on his part, do you? Boris Johnson? Creator of Plague Island? It was a stroke of luck, the result of disgusting unprincipled behaviour by AZ.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 6:04:14 GMT
The EU properly fucked up procurement and its voters cannot sack the useless Commission. LOL! That's not what the Belgian court held. They held that AZ broke their contract. Johnson got those vaccines by a complete fluke. You don't think it was a stroke of strategic genius on his part, do you? Boris Johnson? Creator of Plague Island? It was a stroke of luck, the result of disgusting unprincipled behaviour by AZ. Not only did the EU demonstrate its own "unprincipled" behaviour with its vaccine nationalism, raiding warehouses in Italy, blocking delivery to Australia, the UK and threatening to place a border on the island of Ireland in a temper tantrum. It now demonstrates its unprincipled behaviour again, because again it looks as though it fucked up its contract with Pfizer leaving nations states with astronomical bills and making sure nobody from the EU ombudsman to MEP's gets to look at the debt that has been racked up on behalf of the "citizens" of EU. What a joke. Glad the UK dodged that expensive bullet!
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 8, 2023 6:37:27 GMT
Rehad properly. It extends into 22 and 23. The UK is still under contract with companies producing vaccines for the third world. Keep up at the back. btw it is hilarious to see you trying to make a case of secrecy against the EU when the secrecy and corruption in the UK eearned coverage as far as the New York Times. This thread is about the EU. Try not to troll. Try not to divert it. If you've got nothing to add about how the Commission are keeping the deal with Pfizer tightly under wraps and away from public interest, then you're better off saying nothing. Thank you. When the management makes you a mod you may have the right to bully members. Until then, STFU. From the same source as the OP but in a c9ncurrenr article: The Commission announced that the two parties had agreed Pfizer would spread out deliveries over the course of the next four years, into 2027, and to reduce the total amount of doses down from the 450 million that were due to be delivered this year. However, the Commission didn’t disclose the new total in its announcement. When asked by POLITICO about the revised delivery figure, Commission Health Spokesperson Stefan de Keersmaecker referred POLITICO to EU member countries for a response. Snip A total of nine other countries from the region joined Poland in lobbying for a renegotiation, complaining that they were stuck buying doses that they no longer needed, at a time of economic difficulty caused by the energy shock, and while having to spend money to take care of refugees from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The group of countries wanting to renegotiate the contract also have lower vaccination rates than their Western European counterparts. www.politico.eu/article/eu-pfizer-renegotiate-coronavirus-vaccine-contract/I see no giant issues here. The EU contracted for doses, got the contract reduced and some less prosperous countries want to reduce their number of doses. The renegotiations are still underway. Does any government make every step in negotiations public? I suggest the simplest organic molecule would know the answer is no. So stop making stories out of nothing. It makes you sound desperate. And it has already been agreed that any extra vaccine can go to underdeveloped countries. A generosity Ivassume the UK cannot afford.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2023 6:54:25 GMT
This thread is about the EU. Try not to troll. Try not to divert it. If you've got nothing to add about how the Commission are keeping the deal with Pfizer tightly under wraps and away from public interest, then you're better off saying nothing. Thank you. When the management makes you a mod you may have the right to bully members. Until then, STFU. From the same source as the OP but in a c9ncurrenr article: The Commission announced that the two parties had agreed Pfizer would spread out deliveries over the course of the next four years, into 2027, and to reduce the total amount of doses down from the 450 million that were due to be delivered this year. However, the Commission didn’t disclose the new total in its announcement. When asked by POLITICO about the revised delivery figure, Commission Health Spokesperson Stefan de Keersmaecker referred POLITICO to EU member countries for a response. Snip A total of nine other countries from the region joined Poland in lobbying for a renegotiation, complaining that they were stuck buying doses that they no longer needed, at a time of economic difficulty caused by the energy shock, and while having to spend money to take care of refugees from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The group of countries wanting to renegotiate the contract also have lower vaccination rates than their Western European counterparts. www.politico.eu/article/eu-pfizer-renegotiate-coronavirus-vaccine-contract/I see no giant issues here. The EU contracted for doses, got the contract reduced and some less prosperous countries want to reduce their number of doses. The renegotiations are still underway. Does any government make every step in negotiations public? I suggest the simplest organic molecule would know the answer is no. So stop making stories out of nothing. It makes you sound desperate. And it has already been agreed that any extra vaccine can go to underdeveloped countries. A generosity Ivassume the UK cannot afford. Kim, mods don't bully and neither do I. You try to derail threads that don't fit your view. If you want to do that start your own thread you rude little girl. The EU contracted for doses. Yet, you see no issue here as the details of the contract have been hidden from MEP's, the EU's ombudsman and the public in general. The contract has been signed and its in the interests of the public to know what these unelected people have negotiated on their behalf. I haven't made the story. The Commission made it by trying to hide the details. I'm just glad the UK taxpayer doesn't have to foot a bill contracted on their behalf by someone from another country; who also isn't willing to share the details of the contract. Enjoy your bill.
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