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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2022 12:23:47 GMT
I am trying to work out who they are and what they stand for
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Post by dappy on Nov 4, 2022 12:52:41 GMT
Someone posted the top level vision of what they stand for Handyman? Have you read it?
What exactly is it you want to know?
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2022 19:23:43 GMT
From you not a great deal if you told me what you know it will only take 2 minutes if you type very slowly
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Post by dappy on Nov 5, 2022 10:38:02 GMT
Good to know that Geoffrey Howe is alive and kicking….
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 6, 2022 18:02:09 GMT
Good to know that Geoffrey Howe is alive and kicking…. Like being savaged by a dead sheep.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 14, 2022 12:53:22 GMT
Don't they set out what they stand for? Surely they must have some sort of statement of intent or something, something along these lines for example: We exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We believe that each generation is responsible for the fate of our planet and, by safeguarding the balance of nature and the environment, for the long term continuity of life in all its forms. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives. We look forward to a world in which all people share the same basic rights, in which they live together in peace and in which their different cultures will be able to develop freely. Upholding these values of individual and social justice, we reject all prejudice and discrimination based upon race, ethnicity, caste, heritage, class, religion or belief, age, disability, sex, gender identity or sexual orientation and oppose all forms of entrenched privilege and inequality. Recognising that the quest for freedom and justice can never end, we promote human rights and open government, a sustainable economy which serves genuine need, public services of the highest quality, international action based on a recognition of the interdependence of all the world’s peoples and responsible stewardship of the earth and its resources. We believe that people should be involved in running their communities. We are determined to strengthen the democratic process and ensure that there is a just and representative system of government with effective Parliamentary institutions, freedom of information, decisions taken at the lowest practicable level and a fair voting system for all elections. We will at all times defend the right to speak, write, worship, associate and vote freely, and we will protect the right of citizens to enjoy privacy in their own lives and homes. We believe that sovereignty rests with the people and that authority in a democracy derives from the people. We therefore acknowledge their right to determine the form of government best suited to their needs and commit ourselves to the promotion of a democratic federal framework within which as much power as feasible is exercised by the nations and regions of the United Kingdom. We similarly commit ourselves to the promotion of a flourishing system of democratic local government in which decisions are taken and services delivered at the most local level which is viable. We will foster a strong and sustainable economy which enables people to thrive in their communities, assessing progress by measuring people’s wellbeing. Such an economy will encourage necessary wealth creating processes, develop and use the skills of the people and work to the benefit of all, with a just distribution of the rewards of success. We want to see democracy, participation and the co-operative principle in industry and commerce within a competitive environment in which the state allows the market to operate freely where possible but intervenes where necessary. We will promote scientific research and innovation and will harness technological change to human advantage. We will work for a sense of partnership and community in all areas of life. We recognise that the independence of individuals is safeguarded by their personal ownership of property, but that the market alone does not distribute wealth or income fairly. We support the widest possible distribution of wealth and promote the rights of all citizens to social provision and cultural activity. We seek to make public services responsive to the people they serve, to encourage variety and innovation within them and to make them available on equal terms to all. Our responsibility for justice and liberty cannot be confined by national boundaries; we are committed to fight poverty, oppression, hunger, ignorance, disease and aggression wherever they occur and to promote the free movement of ideas, people, goods and services. Setting aside national sovereignty when necessary, we will work with other countries towards an equitable and peaceful international order and a durable system of common security. Within the European Community we affirm the values of federalism and integration and work for unity based on these principles. We will contribute to the process of peace and disarmament, the elimination of world poverty and the collective safeguarding of democracy by playing a full and constructive role in international organisations which share similar aims and objectives. These are the conditions of liberty and social justice which it is the responsibility of each citizen and the duty of the state to protect and enlarge. We consist of people working together for the achievement of these aims. This text was created by an AI that was tasked with creating five proper and contiguous paragraphs with no content at all. This text was selected from millions of candidates that failed the automated rigorous pruning. In some ways, it stands as technological marvel - automated politics with no brain in the way.So Colbops didn’t create this? … and it wasn’t cut and pasted from some Humanist ‘Bible’? … I’m somewhat disappointed, tbh … but to make a statement it is a form of AI “automated politics with no brain in the way” isn’t true, imo … it has logic and good reasoning behind it … coming from an AI template originally created by humans with brains … I’d be quite happy for every politician to swear on his LIFE to uphold the tenets written here … and to expect to FORFEIT his/her LIFE … preferably in a Media Spectacle … being cast LIVE into an active molten volcano for example(??🤣👏👍👍) … if they were found guilty of breaking this OATH or LYING in any way to the Electorate. Looks like our lawyers for the prosecution should be preparing Rishi Sunak’s appointment with the molten cauldron pretty soon, eh?🤔 I come from a new breed of tough Humanism that recognises you can’t treat and dispose of globalist corruption and religious fascism with kid gloves. Which is why I would rewrite part of this text … this section: “ we reject all prejudice and discrimination based upon race, ethnicity, caste, heritage, class, religion or belief, age, disability, sex, gender identity or sexual orientation and oppose all forms of entrenched privilege and inequality” …. adding the caveat … except where the afore mentioned engage in activities as Cartels and collectives, undermining our Communities - engaging in such bad behaviour that attacks this Collective and it’s ideology and Democracy … in order to destroy, defund this Humanism and Truth.” … This applies to other sections where obnoxious idiots are given a ‘free pass’ to destroy Law and Order. Even Utopian Societies need strong Law and Order and secure borders and Planetary SECURITY … we have had weak Planetary security from the start … and we now have those in Authority that still deny we have been ‘invaded’ … and our Earth is manipulated and controlled by other Forces … other than our Governmental/pseudo-fake Democratic and terrestrial Dictatorship set-ups.😎 .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 20, 2022 13:59:39 GMT
That's hard to believe Vinny. Their principles are pretty clear. With the FPTP system, they will always be a minority party although consistently polling higher than Reform, Greens, UKIP etc. Really we should move to PR so people can vote for the party closest to their views instead of being forced to vote tactically. The party known as the Whigs, which was incorporated into their party, was very successful at one time and was one of the two main parties.
A couple of things about what Whigs stood for was firstly classical liberalism including the economic liberalism (the customer is always right) And the other thing they stood for was science and industry.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 6, 2022 19:33:26 GMT
Well, if you run a Google search for Liberal Democrat Manifesto you will find about halfway down the second page of Google searches, underneath sponsored bullshit, is a link to a page dated Feb 2022 with a title ‘What The Lib Dem’s Believe’
If you click the link you get a very pretty 404 not found error web page.
It’s a shame.
I’d never vote for the pro-Eu shitpile, but at least they USED to have this sort of stuff sorted.
When Labour’s official site didn’t have a manifesto because to see it you had to log in to militant tendency’s (sorry MOMENTUMs) ‘jc 4 pm’ site to see the party manifesto. Which explained a lot.
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Post by dappy on Dec 7, 2022 20:49:39 GMT
It may just be me John, but if I wanted to understand the values and aims of say Lib Dems and understand their manifesto - I would probably head for the Lib Dems website and I’m their case click on the second item on their home page entitled “our manifesto”.
That didn’t seem overly difficult to me…. Just in case this was a uniquely radical concept I tried other parties like Labour and (holding my nose) Reform - worked for them too - who would have thought it….
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2023 11:27:28 GMT
It may just be me John, but if I wanted to understand the values and aims of say Lib Dems and understand their manifesto - I would probably head for the Lib Dems website and I’m their case click on the second item on their home page entitled “our manifesto”. That didn’t seem overly difficult to me…. Just in case this was a uniquely radical concept I tried other parties like Labour and (holding my nose) Reform - worked for them too - who would have thought it…. That’s good. When Corbyn was leader you couldn’t find a manifesto on the Labour Party website, I looked, you had to go to the Momentum funded jc4pm site to get it.
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