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Post by Orac on May 24, 2023 8:00:30 GMT
This is incorrect - civilisation is partly the convention that you don't deliberately inconvenience other people - for instance, deliberately blocking their travel on a road or standing blocking them in a doorway they have a right to use. If someone does do this and refuses to desist then civilisation demands violence to get the victim's lost rights back. The roads are being built by taxes that are not avoided and so it's clear not all taxes are avoided The 'inconvenience' people like you talk about is very minor and affects very few people but the Tories want you to believe that it widespread and 'ordinary people should 'do something' about it, culture wars they love it it keeps us occupied. 'Civilisation demands violence' is something only a moron would believe when faced with minor inconvenience and it is illegal. You only think it's a trivial matter because, having the political opinions you do, you feel you have the right to trample on people to get your way - ie that other people's rights are a distant secondary when compared to your crackpot political stances The fact that taxes are collected and work is done to provide roads is good evidence that the ability to use them is not actually considered trivial. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 24, 2023 8:16:27 GMT
Something can be done...
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May 24, 2023 8:36:55 GMT
Post by Toreador on May 24, 2023 8:36:55 GMT
This is incorrect - civilisation is partly the convention that you don't deliberately inconvenience other people - for instance, deliberately blocking their travel on a road or standing blocking them in a doorway they have a right to use. If someone does do this and refuses to desist then civilisation demands violence to get the victim's lost rights back. The roads are being built by taxes that are not avoided and so it's clear not all taxes are avoided You do know that 'all roads lead to Rome' don't you? The 'inconvenience' people like you talk about is very minor and affects very few people but the Tories want you to believe that it widespread and 'ordinary people should 'do something' about it, culture wars they love it it keeps us occupied. 'Civilisation demands violence' is something only a moron would believe when faced with minor inconvenience and it is illegal. "The roads are being built by taxes that are not avoided and so it's clear not all taxes are avoided" but some, by your own words, are so why should we not all avoid paying? You are a prime example of a rebel without a cause, a pest by any other name. You don't deserve the measured and polite responses some are making. |
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May 24, 2023 8:43:47 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2023 8:43:47 GMT
You do know that 'all roads lead to Rome' don't you? The 'inconvenience' people like you talk about is very minor and affects very few people but the Tories want you to believe that it widespread and 'ordinary people should 'do something' about it, culture wars they love it it keeps us occupied. 'Civilisation demands violence' is something only a moron would believe when faced with minor inconvenience and it is illegal. "The roads are being built by taxes that are not avoided and so it's clear not all taxes are avoided" but some, by your own words, are so why should we not all avoid paying? You are a prime example of a rebel without a cause, a pest by any other name. You don't deserve the measured and polite responses some are making. He's one of the rebel rousers, he does it for a reaction, he's your typical lefty shit-stirrer, I don't have to name names, but we know who they are, and sometimes we have to take the bait. |
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May 24, 2023 9:28:59 GMT
Post by Toreador on May 24, 2023 9:28:59 GMT
You are a prime example of a rebel without a cause, a pest by any other name. You don't deserve the measured and polite responses some are making. He's one of the rebel rousers, he does it for a reaction, he's your typical lefty shit-stirrer, I don't have to name names, but we know who they are, and sometimes we have to take the bait. I meant to write rabble rouser. |
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May 24, 2023 9:41:48 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2023 9:41:48 GMT
He's one of the rebel rousers, he does it for a reaction, he's your typical lefty shit-stirrer, I don't have to name names, but we know who they are, and sometimes we have to take the bait. I meant to write rabble rouser. In his case, he's both ... LOL |
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May 24, 2023 11:33:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 11:33:36 GMT
The 'inconvenience' people like you talk about is very minor and affects very few people but the Tories want you to believe that it widespread and 'ordinary people should 'do something' about it, culture wars they love it it keeps us occupied. 'Civilisation demands violence' is something only a moron would believe when faced with minor inconvenience and it is illegal. You only think it's a trivial matter because, having the political opinions you do, you feel you have the right to trample on people to get your way - ie that other people's rights are a distant secondary when compared to your crackpot political stances The fact that taxes are collected and work is done to provide roads is good evidence that the ability to use them is not actually considered trivial. "you feel you have the right to trample on people to get your way". What are you talking about??? It is the criminal vigilantes that are doing that. |
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May 24, 2023 11:34:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 11:34:43 GMT
You do know that 'all roads lead to Rome' don't you? The 'inconvenience' people like you talk about is very minor and affects very few people but the Tories want you to believe that it widespread and 'ordinary people should 'do something' about it, culture wars they love it it keeps us occupied. 'Civilisation demands violence' is something only a moron would believe when faced with minor inconvenience and it is illegal. "The roads are being built by taxes that are not avoided and so it's clear not all taxes are avoided" but some, by your own words, are so why should we not all avoid paying? You are a prime example of a rebel without a cause, a pest by any other name. You don't deserve the measured and polite responses some are making. 🤣 |
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May 24, 2023 11:36:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 11:36:42 GMT
You are a prime example of a rebel without a cause, a pest by any other name. You don't deserve the measured and polite responses some are making. He's one of the rebel rousers, he does it for a reaction, he's your typical lefty shit-stirrer, I don't have to name names, but we know who they are, and sometimes we have to take the bait. What am I doing but defending the rights of people to demonstrate peacefully without getting assaulted for their efforts. Were do you think this will end, when protesting is banned, strikes are banned.........? |
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May 24, 2023 11:40:35 GMT
Post by Bentley on May 24, 2023 11:40:35 GMT
If you recall you posted ‘There was a long queue at Tesco today but no one assault those in the front.’ You posted a false comparison. My comparison was a reasonable one . Mine example was perfectly reasonable. What you are advocating is that if someone gets in the way of others going about their business in good order and time then violence is an acceptable path for those that are being 'inconvenienced', I was setting out a scenario whence that does not happen. First they came for the protestors but I was not one of them so I did not defend their rights. Then they came............. It was a quite useless example . There was nothing like an orderly queue in the incident . There were people illegally holding up traffic . My example of people blocking the door to the supermarket was far better. |
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May 24, 2023 11:40:35 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2023 11:40:35 GMT
He's one of the rebel rousers, he does it for a reaction, he's your typical lefty shit-stirrer, I don't have to name names, but we know who they are, and sometimes we have to take the bait. What am I doing but defending the rights of people to demonstrate peacefully without getting assaulted for their efforts. Were do you think this will end, when protesting is banned, strikes are banned.........? No one, including myself is denying the right to protest, it's our democratic right to do so, but I strongly object to protesters committing criminal offenses in the process.
They are peacefully committing a crime, they can protest till their hearts content as long as is it classed within the realms of legal.
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May 24, 2023 11:42:30 GMT
Post by Bentley on May 24, 2023 11:42:30 GMT
The protestors had no need to hold up traffic . They could of made their point in another way. The protesters became an anti social rabble at the point where they broke the law and stopped traffic.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2023 12:00:00 GMT
He's one of the rebel rousers, he does it for a reaction, he's your typical lefty shit-stirrer, I don't have to name names, but we know who they are, and sometimes we have to take the bait. What am I doing but defending the rights of people to demonstrate peacefully without getting assaulted for their efforts. Were do you think this will end, when protesting is banned, strikes are banned.........? How many times must this be repeated? It is against the law to obstruct free passage along the highway. Section 137 of the Road Traffic Act states: (1) If a person in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or a fine or both. There is no grey area. It is against the law to block free passage along the public highway. The police are incompetent. |
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May 24, 2023 12:35:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 12:35:28 GMT
Mine example was perfectly reasonable. What you are advocating is that if someone gets in the way of others going about their business in good order and time then violence is an acceptable path for those that are being 'inconvenienced', I was setting out a scenario whence that does not happen. First they came for the protestors but I was not one of them so I did not defend their rights. Then they came............. It was a quite useless example . There was nothing like an orderly queue in the incident . There were people illegally holding up traffic . My example of people blocking the door to the supermarket was far better. Possibly, but that does not excuse violence as you suggest. |
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May 24, 2023 12:38:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 12:38:14 GMT
What am I doing but defending the rights of people to demonstrate peacefully without getting assaulted for their efforts. Were do you think this will end, when protesting is banned, strikes are banned.........? No one, including myself is denying the right to protest, it's our democratic right to do so, but I strongly object to protesters committing criminal offenses in the process.
They are peacefully committing a crime, they can protest till their hearts content as long as is it classed within the realms of legal.
Protests always cause inconvenience to someone, that is the whole idea to 'get a point noticed', without the inconvenience nobody would listen. But you are advocating assault as a way of dealing with it and that incitement is illegal. |
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