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Post by Vinny on Jun 1, 2023 17:48:41 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 1, 2023 21:38:41 GMT
Any legislation the EU commission proposes has to be approved by three votes...the parliament of each member state, the EU Council and the EU Parliament. The Commission doesnt make laws. It cant even vote on its PROPOSED laws. No proposed law is enacted until the DIRECTLY ELECTED PARLIAMENT agrees. Are all Brexiteers so uninformed? However i hope i am right in thinking you knew this already but refuse to acknowledge it. Cowardly, i must say. What part of: The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinionDo you not understand? Since the council is the elected heads of state, i would say it represents the sovereignty of every member. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 2, 2023 7:04:19 GMT
What part of: The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinionDo you not understand? Since the council is the elected heads of state, i would say it represents the sovereignty of every member. In some ways that is correct - however the discussion was about your claim that: 'No proposed law is enacted until the DIRECTLY ELECTED PARLIAMENT agrees.' - which is patently wrong. Sovereignty and the Council is another issue - when each member had a veto over proposed legislation then yes, you could dsay that the sovereignty of each member was represented. However since the expansion of QMV, individual State sovereignty has been massively reduced and will continue to be as that is the direction of travel. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 3, 2023 7:42:00 GMT
Sidfiddler you wanted to know the benefits, study our export statistics. Up in value well above inflation.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 4, 2023 8:57:21 GMT
Since the council is the elected heads of state, i would say it represents the sovereignty of every member. In some ways that is correct - however the discussion was about your claim that: 'No proposed law is enacted until the DIRECTLY ELECTED PARLIAMENT agrees.' - which is patently wrong. Sovereignty and the Council is another issue - when each member had a veto over proposed legislation then yes, you could dsay that the sovereignty of each member was represented. However since the expansion of QMV, individual State sovereignty has been massively reduced and will continue to be as that is the direction of travel. If the EU parliament rejects a proposal , the proposal does not pass. Similarly if the council rejects it, it does not pass although that wouls be very rare since the proposals originated in the council as a five year plan called a Strategic Agenda. Any refusal would be on technical issues which would also be rare since all development of proposals are designed via close communication between all three elements of their development....the council sets our its agenda, the commission puts it into a shape in many consultations with council members and outside legal and particular specialities and parliament is kept fully informed. You yourseld can keep track of the development if something by reading the Europa pages on the web. By the time a proposal comes to a vote, issues have been ironed out to the best potential. Of course there may be still some objection, which is why the representatives of the people, via direct vote or via their direct vote as national representatives, vote. Not forgetting the fourth vote...each proposal is examined inside the democratically elected national "parliament" which has the power to ask for amendments or delays. So that means any proposal is ajudged by three directly elected bodies, two of which represent the sovereignty of each member state. No other nation I know of is so thoroughly democratic or legislation so thoroughly scrutinised. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 4, 2023 9:15:27 GMT
Sidfiddler you wanted to know the benefits, study our export statistics. Up in value well above inflation. COUNTRIES In 2021, world biggest exporters were China ($3.34T), United States ($1.63T), Germany ($1.56T), Japan ($731B), and South Korea ($653B) and world biggest importers were United States ($2.73T), China ($1.97T), Germany ($1.34T), Japan ($700B), and France ($696B). oec.world/en/profile/world/wld#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20world%20top,and%20Broadcasting%20Equipment%20(%24473B). The biggest uk export percentage of gdp is to the US and that is only 13%. The current rate of inflation in the uk reached 11.1% in october 2022, falling back to about 9% in Q1 2023. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports-by-countryFor heavens sake Vinny. Do you live in a cardboard box? You cannot compare exports to inflation. One is more or less fixed by contracts and the inflation rate is all over the place. Because INFLATION IS NOT AFFECTED BY EXPORTS. IT DEPENDS ON THE COST OF IMPORTS. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 4, 2023 14:27:07 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jun 7, 2023 11:46:53 GMT
Even without an FTA Australia has been a more important market for our exports, than Estonia, Croatia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Malta, and Greece combined.
Yet we were expected to have freedom of movement for our trade with the EU, yet even when we were members, and despite facing WTO tariffs from our Commonwealth friends, we were selling more to Australia than to these members of the EU.
19 members of the EU were buying less as countries from us, than the Australians buy.
Now we have a free trade agreement we will sell even more.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 7, 2023 12:04:38 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 7, 2023 12:15:59 GMT
Much ado about nothing it seems.
"...The economic effect of the agreement is likely to be very small. According to the Government’s Impact Assessment, GDP will be 0.03% higher in 2035 as a result of the agreement, although this is subject to considerable uncertainty. The small economic effect is unsurprising given the relatively limited amount of trade the UK does with New Zealand and the fact that barriers to trade with New Zealand are generally fairly low."
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Post by Vinny on Jun 7, 2023 12:22:16 GMT
That's an economic forecast and you know how shit the government is at making economic forecasts, this is the same treasury who gave George Osborne his forecasts!
This is the same treasury who predicted doom if we left the EU, and yet we're selling £340bn a year to the EU now (which goes contrary to their forecasts).
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 7, 2023 12:24:42 GMT
I note that among the 'significant imports' from New Zealand are live animals. What a despicable business shipping live animals half-way around the world. I know the Australian have a very sizeable business shipping live animals to the Middle East for halal slaughter and also China often under horrendous conditions, but it's very disturbing that the UK is indulging in the same sordid trade. Shame.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 7, 2023 14:44:59 GMT
Live animal imports for slaughter are banned aren't they ?
We banned it from the EU, we banned live animal exports to the EU.
Why would our trade with Australia or New Zealand be any different?
Live animal imports for slaughter aren't going to happen, are they Dan?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 7, 2023 15:43:41 GMT
Banned by who?
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Post by Vinny on Jun 8, 2023 20:52:07 GMT
Our government.
And that wouldn't have been possible if we'd stayed in the EU.
EU customs rules would have applied.
Meanwhile, recessions starting in the EU.
No recession here.
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