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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 17:06:03 GMT
So, that brings us back to where we were before you interjected with your nonsense, Doc: The unelected UK judges make laws and the unelected Commission 'makes' laws. Once again, showing that Brexiters don't have a clue what they're talking about. As I have already pointed out - in the UK the 'unelected judges' can only make Laws with the permission of Parliament. Compared with the EU where the 'Unelected Commission' can make Laws without the need to take any notice of Parliament. One system is democratic the other is not. Not so long ago, you were denying that the judges even make laws. You're another who has come a long way, Doc. At least, we're at a place where you accept that unelected judges make laws. Now, let's consider a scenario (I like those). You do something to someone tomorrow. There is no law dealing with the situation at the time you do it. Can the person you did the thing to sue you? Yes, it's possible. It doesn't matter that there was no law forbidding you to do it at the time you did it. The court can make a new law when you appear before it. That's the common law system. In case you didn't grasp that ,I'll repeat it: even though there was no law preventing you from doing that thing, an unelected common law judge can hold you liable for it on the basis of a law that he has just created that day. You could potentially lose your life savings. Can the ECJ do that? No. That's considered grossly unfair in Roman law systems. They call it 'dog law', because you don't know you've done something wrong until the judge shoves your nose in it. So much for the common law being better than the laws produced by the Commission and EU parliament. Next, the common law judges TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO NOTICE OF PARLIAMENT WHEN THEY MAKE LAWS. If there is no parliamentary law in place when they wish to make a law, they are free to make it, and they do it every day of the week. It wasn't so long ago that you didn't understand that the common law is made by the common law judges, so it comes as no surprise that you are unaware of this. Next, even when Parliament intervenes to change a law made by an unelected judge, it does not retrospectively override the judge-made law. In the example above, if you were sued and a judge made up a law on the day you appeared in court to find you responsible for damages, you wouldn't get your money back when Parliament changed the law made by the unelected judge. That would be gone forever. And it wouldn't just be your money either. It would take at the very minimum about 18 months for Parliament to change the judge-made law even if it acted with utmost urgency. So, that law would be applied all across the country during those 18 months. And it usually takes A LOT longer than 18 months for Parliament to get around to changing it. It can be decades. Nobody who is sued under that law will ever see a penny of the damages they paid returned to them. Lastly, and most importantly, there is no difference between what the Commission and what the judges do. Both require parliament's 'consent' to 'make' a law. The only difference is in favour of the Commission, because the Commission must get consent from the EU Parliament before it 'makes' a law, while an unelected judge doesn't need consent - he can introduce his law without anyone's permission and it will remain the law until it is overturned by another unelected judge in a higher court or Parliament finally gets around to repealing it. Your ignorance is astounding, Doc.
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 21:21:53 GMT
So, that brings us back to where we were before you interjected with your nonsense, Doc: The unelected UK judges make laws and the unelected Commission 'makes' laws. Once again, showing that Brexiters don't have a clue what they're talking about. As I have already pointed out - in the UK the 'unelected judges' can only make Laws with the permission of Parliament. Compared with the EU where the 'Unelected Commission' can make Laws without the need to take any notice of Parliament. One system is democratic the other is not. Any legislation the EU commission proposes has to be approved by three votes...the parliament of each member state, the EU Council and the EU Parliament. The Commission doesnt make laws. It cant even vote on its PROPOSED laws. No proposed law is enacted until the DIRECTLY ELECTED PARLIAMENT agrees. Are all Brexiteers so uninformed? However i hope i am right in thinking you knew this already but refuse to acknowledge it. Cowardly, i must say.
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Post by Vinny on May 29, 2023 21:41:14 GMT
£100 bn better off out.
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 21:48:19 GMT
As I have already pointed out - in the UK the 'unelected judges' can only make Laws with the permission of Parliament. Compared with the EU where the 'Unelected Commission' can make Laws without the need to take any notice of Parliament. One system is democratic the other is not. Not so long ago, you were denying that the judges even make laws. You're another who has come a long way, Doc. At least, we're at a place where you accept that unelected judges make laws. Now, let's consider a scenario (I like those). Well I know you like fanciful scenarios because you are an imbecile. Read the EU Parliaments own website - there it tells you exactly what authority to make Laws (and prevent others) they have. When you have educated yourself get back to us.
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 21:51:58 GMT
As I have already pointed out - in the UK the 'unelected judges' can only make Laws with the permission of Parliament. Compared with the EU where the 'Unelected Commission' can make Laws without the need to take any notice of Parliament. One system is democratic the other is not. Any legislation the EU commission proposes has to be approved by three votes...the parliament of each member state, the EU Council and the EU Parliament. The Commission doesnt make laws. It cant even vote on its PROPOSED laws. No proposed law is enacted until the DIRECTLY ELECTED PARLIAMENT agrees. Are all Brexiteers so uninformed? However i hope i am right in thinking you knew this already but refuse to acknowledge it. Cowardly, i must say. What part of: The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinionDo you not understand?
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 22:05:47 GMT
Not so long ago, you were denying that the judges even make laws. You're another who has come a long way, Doc. At least, we're at a place where you accept that unelected judges make laws. Now, let's consider a scenario (I like those). Well I know you like fanciful scenarios because you are an imbecile. Read the EU Parliaments own website - there it tells you exactly what authority to make Laws (and prevent others) they have. When you have educated yourself get back to us. Why don't you explain it to us, Doc? That'll be a laugh. You linked the EU Parliament earlier, even though the discussion was about the Commission. Well done that clown!
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Post by buccaneer on May 30, 2023 6:48:20 GMT
Political nobodies who are unelected and unqualified but are granted the legislative initiative by themselves and nobody else, they enforce EU legislation, hold executive power, control the budget and publish advice and recommendations. Not bad for a political nobody who has a degree in philosophy. The EU and the UK are the same.
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Post by Einhorn on May 30, 2023 8:12:21 GMT
Political nobodies who are unelected and unqualified but are granted the legislative initiative by themselves and nobody else, they enforce EU legislation, hold executive power, control the budget and publish advice and recommendations. Not bad for a political nobody who has a degree in philosophy. The EU and the UK are the same. Yeah, that sounds like the unelected common law judiciary, more or less. Except that the unelected common law judiciary make laws on issues like when a parent can see their child, whether a person should be imprisoned, etc. Issues that affect the individual on a deeper level.
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Post by Vinny on May 30, 2023 9:07:20 GMT
Political nobodies who are unelected and unqualified but are granted the legislative initiative by themselves and nobody else, they enforce EU legislation, hold executive power, control the budget and publish advice and recommendations. Not bad for a political nobody who has a degree in philosophy. The EU and the UK are the same. Glad to be out of the EU. £100bn better off too.
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Post by Einhorn on May 30, 2023 9:26:59 GMT
Political nobodies who are unelected and unqualified but are granted the legislative initiative by themselves and nobody else, they enforce EU legislation, hold executive power, control the budget and publish advice and recommendations. Not bad for a political nobody who has a degree in philosophy. The EU and the UK are the same. Glad to be out of the EU. £100bn better off too. I could post a long list of the real costs of Brexit. The problem is, it's so long, it's a nuisance to readers.
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Post by Vinny on May 30, 2023 9:39:27 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on May 30, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
I see your short list of achievements and raise you a list of Brexit costs that would take you 2 minutes to scroll down through. Oh wait, I can't. It's such an embarrassment to Brexiters, it's been decided that it can only be rolled out on special occasions.
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Post by buccaneer on May 30, 2023 9:54:29 GMT
I thought Monte had advised you to steer clear of the Brexit topic whoiney, you tend to get yourself in a spot of bother and your white knight offers you sound advice.
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Post by Einhorn on May 30, 2023 10:40:24 GMT
I thought Monte had advised you to steer clear of the Brexit topic whoiney, you tend to get yourself in a spot of bother and your white knight offers you sound advice. When did Monte advise that? It's just a figment of your imagination, Bubbles. Like the idea that the list of Brexit benefits is longer than the list of Brexit costs.
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Post by Vinny on May 30, 2023 11:48:21 GMT
I thought Monte had advised you to steer clear of the Brexit topic whoiney, you tend to get yourself in a spot of bother and your white knight offers you sound advice. No point in talking to the man.
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