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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 18, 2023 23:03:26 GMT
For heavens sake. The west has been trading for over 1000 years. Other than boycotts trade does not consider the way nations are goverened as long as they obey the WTO rules. I doubt China would miss your custom. China does obey WTO rules, and it also supports the UN. In fact it was submitting a complaint to the WTO on the US breaking WTO rules, regarding the Inflation Reduction Act, which has created illegal subsidies on chips and green technologies.
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 6:58:54 GMT
Fuck China's government.
Human rights there are non existent. Workers there are modern slaves. That's why Chinese stuff is so cheap.
Fuck dictatorships.
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 12:04:24 GMT
How to deal with Brexit benefits. Smile. Raise a glass to the nice people who made it happen.
The 17.41 million.
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Post by oracle75 on May 19, 2023 19:37:42 GMT
What brexit benefits? THe brexit government that lied to you are backpealling as fast as they can to plug the huge gaps in the Brexit Done publicity. Idiots voted to cut off EU wide dealing with immigration and the UK is now begging for a new arrangement to replace the one people like you ditched. And the chaos people like you caused in NI is still chaos even after renegotiation, tho I admit NI ties to the EU is benefitting them. I dont see lower prices, more FDI, control of borders, money or trade. I see a depleted economy and everyone else keeping away. Maybe because some cant see beyond the filthy seashore and understand how complicated global trade is. And who also insist on discussing widgets and have no idea what being part of the EU is as much of not more about data exchange, workers rights, international representation , security, and the pillar of one of only two global powers (the other being the USA and they are a mess) representing liberal values. Which some idiots in the UK hoped would collapse. The import and export of widgets is a half of the UK's GDP. www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/trade-gdp-ratio#:~:text=U.K.%20trade%20to%20gdp%20ratio%20for%202021%20was%2056.67%25%2C%20a,a%206.01%25%20decline%20from%202019. SO WHAT BENEFITS?? What has improved in the lives of the average person in the UK in the last 7 years? What forecasts have you found that speak of your sovereign isolation? Instead of this romantic garbage that desperately hopes for something to happen that makes a noticeable positive effect on the UK because of your SOVEREIGNTY, just talk about reality. Otherwise write a book and file it under fiction.
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 20:17:33 GMT
Uk exports to India are up from £5.7 billion to £15.1 billion. Another above inflation rise. If our exports to the subcontinent had carried on with inflation we would now be selling £7.2 billion to them. Our exported trade to India has doubled.
Our exported trade to Singapore has gone from £7.2 billion to £13.2 billion. If it had kept up with inflation it would only be £9.2 billion.
Even our exports to Malaysia have gone up above inflation from £2.1 billion in 2016 to £3.1 billion in 2023. If it had kept up with inflation it would only be £2.6 billion.
All this on top of increased exports to the EU ?
Brexit IS WORKING!
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 20:23:38 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on May 19, 2023 20:39:49 GMT
I just told you Brexit is about far more than trade. My apologies. I thought you were able to understand what the alliance between members of the EU included.
I guess it is too subtle and complicated for you.
So please stop pretending you know about international relations even as constrained as EU/UK.
10 BILLION INCREASE IN TRADE IS NOTHING IN THE Uk GDP of over 2 trillion. And in a situation where the UK's debt is 100% of its GDP.
I guess you really drank the kool aid. And will have to pay for it too.
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 20:56:40 GMT
UK EU export boost is worth £38 billion UK USA export boost is worth £40.27 billion. UK India export boost is worth £7.9 billion. UK Singapore export boost is worth £4 billion. Even our exports to Malaysia have gained £0.5 billion above inflation. Brazil export boost is worth £0.9 billion above inflation over 2016's sales.
Comparing Pink Book data from 2016 and 2022. We've made export gains of over £90 billion above inflation.
It's good news.
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Post by oracle75 on May 19, 2023 21:28:07 GMT
Can you read English?
BREXIT AND ITS RESULTS IS ABOUT FAR FAR MORE THAN TRADE.
That is why the GB givernment wants to renegotiate much of it. If that is a success, you are a monocellular organism.
Oh wait...
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Post by oracle75 on May 19, 2023 21:34:20 GMT
UK EU export boost is worth £38 billion UK USA export boost is worth £40.27 billion. UK India export boost is worth £7.9 billion. UK Singapore export boost is worth £4 billion. Even our exports to Malaysia have gained £0.5 billion above inflation. Brazil export boost is worth £0.9 billion above inflation over 2016's sales. Comparing Pink Book data from 2016 and 2022. We've made export gains of over £90 billion above inflation. It's good news. OH. Is that why the Uk economy is so poor?? You dont get to give unsubstantiated numbers from god knows where and when, and not compare them to the same criteria as the other places you choose And for gods sake comparing sales to Brazil in 2016 is ancient history.. Do you really think that in an inflationary globsl period, no ome else has added numbers to their spreadsheets? You are not qualified to remark about Brexit. You are tabloid headlines with no substance. Truly an empty vessel.
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Post by Pacifico on May 19, 2023 21:43:56 GMT
UK EU export boost is worth £38 billion UK USA export boost is worth £40.27 billion. UK India export boost is worth £7.9 billion. UK Singapore export boost is worth £4 billion. Even our exports to Malaysia have gained £0.5 billion above inflation. Brazil export boost is worth £0.9 billion above inflation over 2016's sales. Comparing Pink Book data from 2016 and 2022. We've made export gains of over £90 billion above inflation. It's good news. OH. Is that why the Uk economy is so poor??
How are you measuring that? Fastest GDP growth in the G7 for the past 2 years - lower national debt than France - lower unemployment than France - higher GDP per capita than France - what metric are you using? I'm not pretending that UK economic policy is not a shambles, I have vociferously pointed that out, but that doesn't mean that other countries in Europe are any less of a shambles.
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Post by oracle75 on May 19, 2023 21:47:36 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on May 19, 2023 21:50:47 GMT
So you are basing our economic collapse on having the same quarterly growth as the Eurozone and being ahead of Germany?
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Post by oracle75 on May 19, 2023 21:59:40 GMT
So you are basing our economic collapse on having the same quarterly growth as the Eurozone and being ahead of Germany? You didnt read the link did you? [ "On 17 March, the OECD published new forecasts for the world economy. It says that there are recent signs of improvement and upgraded its GDP growth forecasts for most countries. The OECD warned though that the outlook remained fragile and uncertain. The OECD forecasts UK GDP to fall by 0.2% in 2023, the lowest figure in the G7" Still looking for the Brexit bonus here folks.
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 22:24:01 GMT
Most of the UK's trade is internal but some of it is imports.
UK imports have been adversely impacted by the war in Ukraine and necesssary sanctions on Russia, a major oil producer and failed state turned dictatorship.
UK exports are doing the best they've done in decades.
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