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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 17:47:36 GMT
The major global problem in this world which itself contributes disastrously towards climate change because we all have a carbon footprint is not declining population but increasing population. And there are already too many of us. So if our own population starts to decline that is a good thing because if we need people we can always take in some of the surplus from elsewhere. Problem is, some of them might not have white faces and some around here seem to have a problem with that. Who are 'us'. There are not too many of 'us', there are too many people coming in trying to be part of 'us'. The whole point of there being too many people is that you do not create more either by birth or by immigration from areas not producing a 'surplus' so much as out of control as regards their populations. In terms of saving the planet by either reducing carbon footprint or reducing population then immigration at the seemingly uncontrolled levels they are at is at best idiotic and at worst a deliberate attempt to cause division. When I say there are too many of us, it ought to have been obvious that I was talking about the global population of our own species as a whole. And it was being suggested in this thread that our birth rate here in the UK and in other western nations was too low so that our population was set to go into decline. I merely stated the obvious fact that if this resulted in not enough people in this country it was not a problem because we could in such circumstances take in some of the surplus from elsewhere. I was not calling for any substantial increase in numbers here either by birth rate or immigration. Just pointing out that if ever declining numbers became a problem for us to the point where we needed more people than there would be plenty enough available elsewhere willing to come here. Declining numbers is not a problem today. I was talking about a situation where it ever became one. To put it even more simply in the hope you might actually understand me. If at some point in the future the number of people in the UK were declining to a point where it was damaging us, we could avoid that at that future date by taking more people in. You seem to have imagined that I was saying lets keep taking more people in now. I was not. But you chose to totally fail to understand that in order to get on board one of your favourite hobby horses. And proving to be yet another one attacking me for something you wanted to believe I said rather than something I actually said. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 17:49:43 GMT
He probably measured your IQ and was stunned by the fact that it was smaller than your shoe size
LOL! 
Don't give up your day job, Shrieks.
(You have got one, I take it?).
Yes I work but have been enjoying a few days paid leave. So you can shove that attempt of a did up your arse with all the other shit that seems to do so much of your thinking for you, lol |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 15, 2023 18:26:21 GMT
Oh sorry, I forgot your valuable contribution to the art of shelf stacking.
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Post by sandypine on May 15, 2023 20:12:22 GMT
Who are 'us'. There are not too many of 'us', there are too many people coming in trying to be part of 'us'. The whole point of there being too many people is that you do not create more either by birth or by immigration from areas not producing a 'surplus' so much as out of control as regards their populations. In terms of saving the planet by either reducing carbon footprint or reducing population then immigration at the seemingly uncontrolled levels they are at is at best idiotic and at worst a deliberate attempt to cause division. When I say there are too many of us, it ought to have been obvious that I was talking about the global population of our own species as a whole. And it was being suggested in this thread that our birth rate here in the UK and in other western nations was too low so that our population was set to go into decline. I merely stated the obvious fact that if this resulted in not enough people in this country it was not a problem because we could in such circumstances take in some of the surplus from elsewhere. I was not calling for any substantial increase in numbers here either by birth rate or immigration. Just pointing out that if ever declining numbers became a problem for us to the point where we needed more people than there would be plenty enough available elsewhere willing to come here. Declining numbers is not a problem today. I was talking about a situation where it ever became one. To put it even more simply in the hope you might actually understand me. If at some point in the future the number of people in the UK were declining to a point where it was damaging us, we could avoid that at that future date by taking more people in. You seem to have imagined that I was saying lets keep taking more people in now. I was not. But you chose to totally fail to understand that in order to get on board one of your favourite hobby horses. And proving to be yet another one attacking me for something you wanted to believe I said rather than something I actually said. Fair enough. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 15, 2023 21:59:18 GMT
Here is an idea...
1) Build some new towns and cities, with family friendly homes (gardens etc) with nice green spaces for recreation / cycling / walking.
2) Integrate early years childcare with schools and fund them out of general taxation.
3) Tax incentives to encourage people to have children.
It is a disgrace that people want to "import" young people, rather than encouraging UK citizens to have children. Just think what you are arguing for, you are arguing for the slow death of your own culture and traditions.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 22:16:42 GMT
Here is an idea... 1) Build some new towns and cities, with family friendly homes (gardens etc) with nice green spaces for recreation / cycling / walking. 2) Integrate early years childcare with schools and fund them out of general taxation. 3) Tax incentives to encourage people to have children. It is a disgrace that people want to "import" young people, rather than encouraging UK citizens to have children. Just think what you are arguing for, you are arguing for the slow death of your own culture and traditions. Encouraging us to add still further to the global population than we otherwise would without such encouragement is senseless when there are too many people on this planet already. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 15, 2023 23:13:24 GMT
Here is an idea... 1) Build some new towns and cities, with family friendly homes (gardens etc) with nice green spaces for recreation / cycling / walking. 2) Integrate early years childcare with schools and fund them out of general taxation. 3) Tax incentives to encourage people to have children. It is a disgrace that people want to "import" young people, rather than encouraging UK citizens to have children. Just think what you are arguing for, you are arguing for the slow death of your own culture and traditions. Encouraging us to add still further to the global population than we otherwise would without such encouragement is senseless when there are too many people on this planet already. 1) I never said anything about increasing the population. I said encourage UK citizens to have more children instead of importing young adults. The current birth rate is well below maintaining the population, so there is plenty of scope for increasing the birth rate without increasing population. 2) There is zero scientific proof that there is too many people on the planet. Quite the opposite, all the predictions say it will top out at 10-12 billion and that the Earth can easily sustain that number. 3) What are we here for? We are genetically programmed to have children, to supress that and pretend that other things will make us happy and fulfilled seems like a massive self-inflicted wound. Obviously I mean the "choice to have children", rather than it being forced. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 6:44:41 GMT
Did you just measure your measure your waist or something ? Well it certainly wasn't his IQ. When exactly do you leave school?🤣 |
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Post by Bentley on May 16, 2023 13:09:16 GMT
Well it certainly wasn't his IQ. When exactly do you leave school?🤣 Why ? Was you waiting outside the playground ? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 20:56:24 GMT
Encouraging us to add still further to the global population than we otherwise would without such encouragement is senseless when there are too many people on this planet already. 1) I never said anything about increasing the population. I said encourage UK citizens to have more children instead of importing young adults. The current birth rate is well below maintaining the population, so there is plenty of scope for increasing the birth rate without increasing population. 2) There is zero scientific proof that there is too many people on the planet. Quite the opposite, all the predictions say it will top out at 10-12 billion and that the Earth can easily sustain that number. 3) What are we here for? We are genetically programmed to have children, to supress that and pretend that other things will make us happy and fulfilled seems like a massive self-inflicted wound. Obviously I mean the "choice to have children", rather than it being forced. Not very good at maths are you? Having more children of our own instead of taking some of the surplus from elsewhere adds to overall global population by producing more people ourselves. |
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