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Post by Montegriffo on May 9, 2023 12:30:09 GMT
Bloody vaccine manufacturers, saving millions of lives all around the world.
What a bunch of bastards.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 9, 2023 12:31:47 GMT
Which vaccine was it? I have not had a further dose since my second dose of Oxford AstraZeneca in 2021. And ultimately, none of this would have happened if China's crappy dictatorship had stopped travel immediately after discovering the virus in Wuhan. It said Sanofi, which is GSK. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 9, 2023 12:38:08 GMT
Bloody vaccine manufacturers, saving millions of lives all around the world. What a bunch of bastards. Well why can't they just be honest and confess that people could and did have a reaction to it?
Then it was up to people to play Russian roulette to see if they might be one of those victims, it's common for people to have adverse reaction to some medication, or foods, so what's the big hush-hush, let people make their own choices, my OH had a MRI scan and they gave her a Iodine contrast , a few hours later she was rushed to hospital with adverse reaction to the contrast, ended up on drips, tubes and all sorts, took her months to recover.
We told the reaction is so rare we don't really highlight the side-effects, WTF?
Just be honest, people would still have the Covid jab even if they were told point blank to their faces 'you might suffer a adverse reaction to the vaccine'... but just tell them.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2023 12:40:50 GMT
Unfortunately the loss of sight in one eye is permanent. She has very little energy and they only managed to get her to walk unassisted yesterday. You are right though, and I understand now the official figures we were all using have been faked. I started to hear of similar cases where someone suffered severe reactions to the vaccine but it was not recorded.
They are absolute wankers in my opinion, faking the figures so more die unnecessarily. I expect they are in the pockets of the American pharmaceutical cartel. I've see that happen too. My MP declared a five figure amount in the commercial interests register. They give the doctors free 5 star holidays and call it attending a medical conference, in a prime tropical holiday resort. She has been given 6 vaccines in total now.
All money motivated first, health and well-being second. It's always been a fact that vaccine distributors have given GPs financial and other lucrative incentives to force vaccines on their patients, the more they delivered the bigger the Rewards.
It said it all when GPs refused to confirm if they themselves had received the Covid jab, they went on the defensive with all their privacy clauses, so if there was nothing to worry about why didn't every GP just confirm if they had the jab themselves?
When Javid was making the Covid jab compulsory to all NHS staff, you seen the reaction, he soon had to drop that plan when he realised half of the NHS staff would be walking out, doesn't that tell us all something about the Covid jab when consultants and high ranking doctors were prepared to leave their jobs rather than be forced into the Covid jab.
It probably tells us that many doctors are unfit for the role.
Millions of people worldwide have been vaccinated, the vast majority without ill effect.
And vaccination programmes have eradicated many fatal diseases.
Or would you prefer that people still died of measles, TB or polio?
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Post by Vinny on May 9, 2023 12:44:56 GMT
Which vaccine was it? I have not had a further dose since my second dose of Oxford AstraZeneca in 2021. And ultimately, none of this would have happened if China's crappy dictatorship had stopped travel immediately after discovering the virus in Wuhan. It said Sanofi, which is GSK. Not had that. Double dosed with AstraZeneca, which was only designed for two doses anyway. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 9, 2023 12:45:22 GMT
Bloody vaccine manufacturers, saving millions of lives all around the world. What a bunch of bastards. Well why can't they just be honest and confess that people could and did have a reaction to it?
Then it was up to people to play Russian roulette to see if they might be one of those victims, it's common for people to have adverse reaction to some medication, or foods, so what's the big hush-hush, let people make their own choices, my OH had a MRI scan and they gave her a Iodine contrast , a few hours later she was rushed to hospital with adverse reaction to the contrast, ended up on drips, tubes and all sorts, took her months to recover.
We told the reaction is so rare we don't really highlight the side-effects, WTF?
Just be honest, people would still have the Covid jab even if they were told point blank to their faces 'you might suffer a adverse reaction to the vaccine'... but just tell them.
They did warn of possible side effects. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 9, 2023 12:49:18 GMT
All money motivated first, health and well-being second. It's always been a fact that vaccine distributors have given GPs financial and other lucrative incentives to force vaccines on their patients, the more they delivered the bigger the Rewards.
It said it all when GPs refused to confirm if they themselves had received the Covid jab, they went on the defensive with all their privacy clauses, so if there was nothing to worry about why didn't every GP just confirm if they had the jab themselves?
When Javid was making the Covid jab compulsory to all NHS staff, you seen the reaction, he soon had to drop that plan when he realised half of the NHS staff would be walking out, doesn't that tell us all something about the Covid jab when consultants and high ranking doctors were prepared to leave their jobs rather than be forced into the Covid jab.
It probably tells us that many doctors are unfit for the role.
Millions of people worldwide have been vaccinated, the vast majority without ill effect.
And vaccination programmes have eradicated many fatal diseases.
Or would you prefer that people still died of measles, TB or polio?
It probably more likely told us they weren't prepared to have a experimental drug pumped into them, whereas the measles, TB and polio vaccines had been tried and tested over years on trials with groups of people.
Salk tested his experimental killed-virus vaccine on himself and his family in 1953, and a year later on 1.6 million children in Canada, Finland and the USA. The results were announced on 12 April 1955, and Salk's inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was licensed on the same day.
Two years before it was licensed after trials, unlike Covid vaccine licensed after 'months', do you honestly believe the medical profession like consultants are stupid?
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Post by steppenwolf on May 9, 2023 12:49:43 GMT
I certainly won't be having any further boosters or whatever they're called now. I think the vaccine was far more dangerous than we were told and that the medical regulatory authorities are hiding behind their assertion that getting Covid is far more dangerous than getting the vaccine. I think that was probably true for certain sectors of the population but probably isn't true anymore, as the virus has become less dangerous and people have become less susceptible to it.
The problem always is that vaccination is a balance of risks - some people are always at risk of having a bad reaction to the vaccine. But I think that the medical profession (and the govt) tend to suppress evidence of adverse reactions or attribute them to natural causes - and it's very difficult to prove otherwise.
Yet it's a bit suspicious that the excess deaths in the UK are still very high, despite deducting Covid deaths. What's changed? Mainly what's changed is that we're still vaccinating people for Covid. I'm not aware of anything else.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 9, 2023 12:52:09 GMT
tuberculosis, which causes the disease. The vaccine was developed over a period of 13 years, from 1908 to 1921, by French bacteriologists Albert Calmette and Camille Guérin, who named the product Bacillus Calmette-Guérin, or BCG.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 9, 2023 12:54:49 GMT
Unfortunately the loss of sight in one eye is permanent. She has very little energy and they only managed to get her to walk unassisted yesterday. You are right though, and I understand now the official figures we were all using have been faked. I started to hear of similar cases where someone suffered severe reactions to the vaccine but it was not recorded.
They are absolute wankers in my opinion, faking the figures so more die unnecessarily. I expect they are in the pockets of the American pharmaceutical cartel. I've see that happen too. My MP declared a five figure amount in the commercial interests register. They give the doctors free 5 star holidays and call it attending a medical conference, in a prime tropical holiday resort. She has been given 6 vaccines in total now.
All money motivated first, health and well-being second. It's always been a fact that vaccine distributors have given GPs financial and other lucrative incentives to force vaccines on their patients, the more they delivered the bigger the Rewards.
It said it all when GPs refused to confirm if they themselves had received the Covid jab, they went on the defensive with all their privacy clauses, so if there was nothing to worry about why didn't every GP just confirm if they had the jab themselves?
When Javid was making the Covid jab compulsory to all NHS staff, you seen the reaction, he soon had to drop that plan when he realised half of the NHS staff would be walking out, doesn't that tell us all something about the Covid jab when consultants and high ranking doctors were prepared to leave their jobs rather than be forced into the Covid jab.
There would be nothing at all wrong in receiving money for delivering vaccines in an honest country. The real problem is far more general, and it is this. There is not one professional group of people in this country which you can rely on for being honest, from estate agents, to lawyers, to teachers, to doctors, to vicars, businessmen, scientists and absolutely any others you can think of which requires professional qualifications and gives letters after or even before the name.
I've met thousands of different people in my time in all sorts of different settings, and I will say this as a general rule. You are most likely to get honesty from a low-paid worker at the bottom as long as he is not scared what he says will affect his job. Now of course one of these dishonest professional groups are professional recruiters. The system is so arranged that the more you lie the more you get ahead in the professional system. This even goes on in the universities that do the research to develop these drugs. If your new invention has some bad experimental results, a dishonest person would chuck them in the bin, then try again until they get the results they are looking for. Indeed people are beginning to realise this as they pull out a scientific paper which details an experiment and they try running the experiment for themselves and never get the results in the paper. Some angels out there do this and get papers busted and retracted, but like it is not enough when most are cheats. The biggest cheats being the biggest names in academia. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2023 12:59:20 GMT
It probably more likely told us they weren't prepared to have a experimental drug pumped into them, whereas the measles, TB and polio vaccines had been tried and tested over years on trials with groups of people. [/div] Salk tested his experimental killed-virus vaccine on himself and his family in 1953, and a year later on 1.6 million children in Canada, Finland and the USA. The results were announced on 12 April 1955, and Salk's inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was licensed on the same day. Two years before it was licensed after trials, unlike Covid vaccine licensed after 'months', do you honestly believe the medical profession like consultants are stupid?
[/quote] tuberculosis, which causes the disease. The vaccine was developed over a period of 13 years, from 1908 to 1921, by French bacteriologists Albert Calmette and Camille Guérin, who named the product Bacillus Calmette-Guérin, or BCG. 1908, 1921, 1953 were all a long time ago and the development of vaccines was in its infancy. Those discoveries paved the way for todays vaccines which is why it doesn't take as long to develop them now. And especially when the Chinese were already working on corona viruses and a vaccine... |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 9, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
All money motivated first, health and well-being second. It's always been a fact that vaccine distributors have given GPs financial and other lucrative incentives to force vaccines on their patients, the more they delivered the bigger the Rewards.
It said it all when GPs refused to confirm if they themselves had received the Covid jab, they went on the defensive with all their privacy clauses, so if there was nothing to worry about why didn't every GP just confirm if they had the jab themselves?
When Javid was making the Covid jab compulsory to all NHS staff, you seen the reaction, he soon had to drop that plan when he realised half of the NHS staff would be walking out, doesn't that tell us all something about the Covid jab when consultants and high ranking doctors were prepared to leave their jobs rather than be forced into the Covid jab.
There would be nothing at all wrong in receiving money for delivering vaccines in an honest country. The real problem is far more general, and it is this. There is not one professional group of people in this country which you can rely on for being honest, from estate agents, to lawyers, to teachers, to doctors, to vicars, businessmen, scientists and absolutely any others you can think of which requires professional qualifications and gives letters after or even before the name.
I've met thousands of different people in my time in all sorts of different settings, and I will say this as a general rule. You are most likely to get honesty from a low-paid worker at the bottom as long as he is not scared what he says will affect his job. Now of course one of these dishonest professional groups are professional recruiters. The system is so arranged that the more you lie the more you get ahead in the professional system. This even goes on in the universities that do the research to develop these drugs. If your new invention has some bad experimental results, a dishonest person would chuck them in the bin, then try again until they get the results they are looking for. Indeed people are beginning to realise this as they pull out a scientific paper which details an experiment and they try running the experiment for themselves and never get the results in the paper. Some angels out there do this and get papers busted and retracted, but like it is not enough when most are cheats. The biggest cheats being the biggest names in academia. I agree there is dishonesty in all walks of life not just the vaccine makers, but most of it is motivated by money and greed. How long did it take to make the connection between smoking and lung cancer, the tobacco industry were well aware years before it became 'official' there was a absolute link between lung cancer and smoking, it was a huge industry funding and sponsoring all sorts of sports and other venues, people were making plenty of money out of it, health came second.
They eventually came clean, and now label their products with all sorts of health warnings, the point I am getting at, that people know, and can read all these 'danger warnings' on tobacco products yet they still smoke them, but the fact they have been told the truth, and given the warnings, and it's left to their own personal choice whether or not they want to take that risk. That's the exact warning and informed information that should be on the Covid vaccine, "it is a trial drug in its infancy and the full adverse long term reaction and possible side-effects is not yet known, due to lack of data".
You will find people will still take it, but at least they've been warned, and that is the issue.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 9, 2023 13:30:18 GMT
It probably tells us that many doctors are unfit for the role.
Millions of people worldwide have been vaccinated, the vast majority without ill effect.
And vaccination programmes have eradicated many fatal diseases.
Or would you prefer that people still died of measles, TB or polio?
It probably more likely told us they weren't prepared to have a experimental drug pumped into them, whereas the measles, TB and polio vaccines had been tried and tested over years on trials with groups of people.
Salk tested his experimental killed-virus vaccine on himself and his family in 1953, and a year later on 1.6 million children in Canada, Finland and the USA. The results were announced on 12 April 1955, and Salk's inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was licensed on the same day.
Two years before it was licensed after trials, unlike Covid vaccine licensed after 'months', do you honestly believe the medical profession like consultants are stupid?
Some years ago I read a book "The River" (Edwin Hooper IIRC) which documented the rise of AIDS back to ground zero. His theory was that it started (in the early 1950s) when some American doctors vaccinated parts of Africa with a new polio vaccine. The way that vaccines were developed back then was that they took the virus that caused polio and tried to "attenuate" it - i.e. make it so weak that it didn't harm people but retained the markers that would identify it to the human immune system. The way that they did this was to transition it through chimpanzee kidneys until it no longer harmed chimpanzees. This may sound strange but biological media (of one kind or another) are still used for this purpose today. Unfortunately some of the chimpanzees whose kidneys were used for this purpose had SIV (the acknowledged precursor to HIV) and the vaccine - while working quite well in preventing polio - introduced the SIV virus to humans that eventually evolved into HIV and proved deadly to many millions of people. And is still incurable. There's a huge amount of evidence to back up this theory of how AIDS started but the medical profession have NEVER accepted it. And never will. It's like Covid. We all know that the chinese developed it by using "gain of function" on bat viruses - but the medical profession will NEVER accept it. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 9, 2023 13:42:38 GMT
It probably more likely told us they weren't prepared to have a experimental drug pumped into them, whereas the measles, TB and polio vaccines had been tried and tested over years on trials with groups of people.
Salk tested his experimental killed-virus vaccine on himself and his family in 1953, and a year later on 1.6 million children in Canada, Finland and the USA. The results were announced on 12 April 1955, and Salk's inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was licensed on the same day.
Two years before it was licensed after trials, unlike Covid vaccine licensed after 'months', do you honestly believe the medical profession like consultants are stupid?
Some years ago I read a book "The River" (Edwin Hooper IIRC) which documented the rise of AIDS back to ground zero. His theory was that it started (in the early 1950s) when some American doctors vaccinated parts of Africa with a new polio vaccine. The way that vaccines were developed back then was that they took the virus that caused polio and tried to "attenuate" it - i.e. make it so weak that it didn't harm people but retained the markers that would identify it to the human immune system. The way that they did this was to transition it through chimpanzee kidneys until it no longer harmed chimpanzees. This may sound strange but biological media (of one kind or another are still used for this purpose today). Unfortunately some of the chimpanzees whose kidneys were used for this purpose had SIV (the acknowledged precursor to HIV) and the vaccine - while working quite well in preventing polio - introduced the SIV virus to humans that eventually evolved into HIV and proved deadly to many millions of people. And is still incurable. There's a huge amount of evidence to back up this theory of how AIDS started but the medical profession have NEVER accepted it. And never will. It's like Covid. We all know that the chinese developed it by using "gain of function" on bat viruses - but the medical profession will NEVER accept it. Absolutely, it's a very shady industry, and it's also been suggested that China had already developed a Covid vaccine that was going to make them a fortune, so the theory was, they developed the virus, let it out on to the world, then make their fortune out of the Vaccine they had already developed.
Cunning plan?
I would imagine the theory you have mentioned is not far off the truth, the problem is we will never know, the cover-ups, and the amount of money involved and corrupted individuals and industries makes the task almost impossible, and you are dismissed as a 'conspiracy nutjob', just like they've labelled anti-Vaxxers, nut cases, conspiracy theorists, it wouldn't be because anti-vaxxers are wise to the corrupt and lies the governments and establishments feed us.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 9, 2023 14:20:37 GMT
There would be nothing at all wrong in receiving money for delivering vaccines in an honest country. The real problem is far more general, and it is this. There is not one professional group of people in this country which you can rely on for being honest, from estate agents, to lawyers, to teachers, to doctors, to vicars, businessmen, scientists and absolutely any others you can think of which requires professional qualifications and gives letters after or even before the name.
I've met thousands of different people in my time in all sorts of different settings, and I will say this as a general rule. You are most likely to get honesty from a low-paid worker at the bottom as long as he is not scared what he says will affect his job. Now of course one of these dishonest professional groups are professional recruiters. The system is so arranged that the more you lie the more you get ahead in the professional system. This even goes on in the universities that do the research to develop these drugs. If your new invention has some bad experimental results, a dishonest person would chuck them in the bin, then try again until they get the results they are looking for. Indeed people are beginning to realise this as they pull out a scientific paper which details an experiment and they try running the experiment for themselves and never get the results in the paper. Some angels out there do this and get papers busted and retracted, but like it is not enough when most are cheats. The biggest cheats being the biggest names in academia. I agree there is dishonesty in all walks of life not just the vaccine makers, but most of it is motivated by money and greed. How long did it take to make the connection between smoking and lung cancer, the tobacco industry were well aware years before it became 'official' there was a absolute link between lung cancer and smoking, it was a huge industry funding and sponsoring all sorts of sports and other venues, people were making plenty of money out of it, health came second.
They eventually came clean, and now label their products with all sorts of health warnings, the point I am getting at, that people know, and can read all these 'danger warnings' on tobacco products yet they still smoke them, but the fact they have been told the truth, and given the warnings, and it's left to their own personal choice whether or not they want to take that risk. That's the exact warning and informed information that should be on the Covid vaccine, "it is a trial drug in its infancy and the full adverse long term reaction and possible side-effects is not yet known, due to lack of data".
You will find people will still take it, but at least they've been warned, and that is the issue.
I'm a bit behind the times on the covid industry as I was following it and then I got bored and moved on to other things, but what I learnt from the older reports into side effects, the figures looked good in that the danger of not taking it far outweighed the danger of taking it. most problems were trivial like a bit of swelling or feeling ill for a few days. What happened here was she had the vaccine on Saturday, i had a long chat to her Sunday afternoon where she finished talking earlier than usual and said she felt dizzy and weak, then by Monday she could hardly breath and was rushed into hospital where her lungs were filled with fluid and the heart was about to have a heart attack where they said on two occasions she is likely to die. As far as that case is concerned that vaccine will go on the figures as no ill effects. I specifically asked my father if the doctors said anything about the vaccine, but they did not. You see how it works in practice. Just don't tell them anything. Make them feel they are wonderful with the presentational skills of the service. She could not even get a place in the stroke unit for a week as it was full up. Hmm, I wonder why. |
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