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Post by patman post on May 8, 2023 14:05:28 GMT
So far this year the UK has seen above average rainfall, below average temperatures and below average sunshine hours. But this is not an example of a lack of Global Warming - it is just normal variations in the weather. So far this year Spain has seen a heatwave - this is definitely due to Global Warming.. Good points. I've always understood that, while connected, climate trends and individual weather episodes are not the same.
So far, I've noticed that individual episodes of extreme weather in places that interest me are occurring with increasing frequency. The argument that human activity is playing a role in this seems logical — at 8 billion, the world population is parasitical. I see nothing wrong in modifying our behaviour to reduce pollution and our consumption of the earth's non-renewable provisions.
If nothing else, a cleaner, healthier and more pleasant environment is more enjoyable than breathing toxic air, living in airborne dust and having vistas of industrial deserts and wastelands...
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Post by sandypine on May 8, 2023 20:19:47 GMT
So far this year the UK has seen above average rainfall, below average temperatures and below average sunshine hours. But this is not an example of a lack of Global Warming - it is just normal variations in the weather. So far this year Spain has seen a heatwave - this is definitely due to Global Warming.. Good points. I've always understood that, while connected, climate trends and individual weather episodes are not the same.
So far, I've noticed that individual episodes of extreme weather in places that interest me are occurring with increasing frequency. The argument that human activity is playing a role in this seems logical — at 8 billion, the world population is parasitical. I see nothing wrong in modifying our behaviour to reduce pollution and our consumption of the earth's non-renewable provisions.
If nothing else, a cleaner, healthier and more pleasant environment is more enjoyable than breathing toxic air, living in airborne dust and having vistas of industrial deserts and wastelands...
Have you examples of the extreme weather events that are happening more frequently? This type of comment is made often but almost always with no back up data that survives even casual criticism. If we wish to reduce pollution and our consumption what actions should we take? You referred to population as a problem how should we control the increase in parasitical humans and if we cannot get others to act should we act alone? |
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Post by steppenwolf on May 9, 2023 7:02:52 GMT
A lot of the "extreme" weather events are actually the result of a massively increased population - not CO2. Global average temperature has increased by 1.1C since 1850, but the world's population was about 1 billion in 1850 and is now nearly 8 billion. Many of the extreme events are bound to increase if there are more people. For example flooding will increase because because there are vastly more houses (many built in inadvisable locations). "Wild" fires will increase because many/most are actually started by people. Record temperatures will occur more frequently because a) there are many more places where temperature is recorded and b) the houses and infrastructure that are required to support our huge population increase trap heat better than CO2 does.
Yet the climate loonies say that it's "predominantly" caused by CO2 and their models are based on this hypothesis. You'd think that the fact that the models consistently get their predictions wrong would lead to some rethink of this assumption. But it never does.
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Post by dodgydave on May 15, 2023 22:37:41 GMT
When science makes a prediction it gives a range from worst to best case scenarios.
What then happens is that people latch onto the worst / best case scenario to support their narrative, instead of picking the middle ground where the common sense arguments would be.
The obvious best bit of bullshit is "hottest day ever"... and then failing to mention that "ever" actually means a 100 year period out of 6 billion years. Instead of this doom mongering, they just need to make the reasonable case that are emissions are poisoning the planet / oceans, making the air in our cities and town dangerous to breath, and contributing to the pace of climate change.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 16, 2023 7:54:09 GMT
The problem is that the actual warming is well below the lowest estimate in the range - and a fraction of the highest estimate. So the predictions are comprehensively wrong despite the generous margin of error they've allowed themselves.
And emissions are not "poisoning" the planet. For a start CO2 isn't a poison - it's essential to life. The poisoning of our air occurred when the last Labour govt decided to encourage everyone to drive diesel cars, which marginally cut CO2 emissions but pump out genuinely dangerous nitrogen oxides. And there's no evidence that the slight warming since 1850 even IS climate change. The Earth is very good at tolerating gradual changes in various conditions (like CO2) because many of the changes have opposing effects - for example CO2 may trap more heat but it encourages more photosynthesis which converts the Sun's heat to fossil fuels. Climate change usually happens because of some massive natural event.
The main genuine problem we have is the ballooning population and all the junk we create. Yet I see Melloni and the Pope are encouraging Italians to have more children! Crazy.
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