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Post by om15 on May 5, 2023 12:10:07 GMT
The results are not in at the time of posting, but early indications on about 25% of the total show that the Tories are taking a pasting. Do we feel that this is just a bit of voter reaction and that this is not indicative of the forthcoming general election results? or do we think it is time to go into the backroom with a loaded service revolver.
Lib Dems appear to be gaining ground, this shows just how desperate the electorate has become, whilst Starmer and his leftie cohorts will be rubbing their hands I hope that this is not a portent for the future. In the meantime we will now have more and more leftie councils doing constructive motorist victimisation, compulsory shared lavatories, more cyclists and more woke in local council, more self awarded four day weeks for binmen, soaring Council Tax charges, rainbow coloured policemen and more statues being toppled.
I do hope people know what they are doing.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 5, 2023 12:54:18 GMT
They don't. I'd say they'll learn but they won't do that either, well not until it hits them in the pocket.
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Post by bancroft on May 5, 2023 12:54:59 GMT
Yes suggests Tories need to do better or will lose.
Of course these act as a warning to the ruling party to learn the lessons and change.
However with high interest rates, millions of self-employed jobs lost since COV-ID, they will struggle.
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Post by bancroft on May 5, 2023 13:08:36 GMT
Of course the biggie, the cost of living factor which might be the biggest, with interest rates still climbing this is out of Tory control..........
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Post by om15 on May 5, 2023 13:41:23 GMT
They could dump the net zero policy and stop adding huge surcharges to our energy bills in order the subsidise the net zero project. They could do that this afternoon and we would all feel immeasurably better off. They could stop overseas aid to those countries which patently don't require our aid, I am thinking of China for example.
They could reduce the overheads of the Civil Service by introducing huge redundancies, and they could house our new British people wading ashore in tents and not hotels.
In fact there is quite a lot they can do.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 5, 2023 14:14:58 GMT
True, and they've had an 80 seat majority with which to do it. Yet they haven't.
The Tories absolutely do not deserve to be re-elected but the alternatives are even worse.
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Post by Pacifico on May 5, 2023 14:35:52 GMT
BBC is forecasting that the National Share of the vote would be:
Labour - 35%
Conservative - 26%
LibDem - 20%
Others - 19%
If those sort of figures transposed to a General Election then Labour would be the largest Party but without a majority.
I honestly expected Labour to do better (what do I know) but it seems that they have not increased their support since last years local elections - neither has the LibDems for that matter. What seems to be happening is that the Tory vote is either staying at home or leaching to the 'Others' (Reform, Independents etc). Whether that Tory vote will return at next years General Election is the thousand dollar question.
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Post by Pacifico on May 5, 2023 14:37:17 GMT
They could dump the net zero policy and stop adding huge surcharges to our energy bills in order the subsidise the net zero project. They could do that this afternoon and we would all feel immeasurably better off. They could stop overseas aid to those countries which patently don't require our aid, I am thinking of China for example. They could reduce the overheads of the Civil Service by introducing huge redundancies, and they could house our new British people wading ashore in tents and not hotels. In fact there is quite a lot they can do. But you can guarantee that they won't - they will talk a good job but when it comes to implementing real change there is no chance. |
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Post by bancroft on May 5, 2023 15:56:34 GMT
They could dump the net zero policy and stop adding huge surcharges to our energy bills in order the subsidise the net zero project. They could do that this afternoon and we would all feel immeasurably better off. They could stop overseas aid to those countries which patently don't require our aid, I am thinking of China for example. They could reduce the overheads of the Civil Service by introducing huge redundancies, and they could house our new British people wading ashore in tents and not hotels. In fact there is quite a lot they can do. That would be highly controversial both here and abroad. The UK hosted the summit where COP targets were agreed. The Biden faction in Washington might cause trouble. |
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Post by om15 on May 5, 2023 16:45:34 GMT
Also I understand that we are unable to ditch net zero because Mrs May signed up to this with the EU as part of the withdrawal deal, so again, it all comes back to the door of the Tories, but as observed the alternatives are dreadful.
Another good reason to ditch net zero is to dismay Biden, the USA is no friend to the UK at the moment and we should stop pretending that it is. The yanks still drive around in cars the size of pantechnicons and our OAPS have to wear fur lined parkas in their sitting rooms.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 17:15:00 GMT
Many political commentators concluded yesterday (Thursday) that Labour would be on course to win the next General Election if the Tories lost 800 seats or more, and if Labour won over 500.
With a lot of results yet to come, the Tories have so far lost 841 seats, and Labour have won 440 seats.
Where I live, two Tory MPs must now be very worried ... Simon Clarke (Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland) and Jacob Young (Redcar). Middlesbrough has gone from NOC to Labour, and some very prominent Tory names in East Cleveland have been defeated by Labour.
Labour and other opposition parties have badly wounded the Tories in the first of two battles, now bring on the next battle, and lets finish them off.
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Post by om15 on May 5, 2023 17:32:13 GMT
Much of the Tory losses have been down to low turnout, in other words Conservative voters are registering their disapproval by staying at home and not in fact voting for Labour.
Once people see what Labour Councils do with their money and what their woke priorities lead them to do then perhaps the trends will reverse for the General Election. It has been suggested that in fact Labour might win the election but not achieve a majority, in this case it will be a Labour/SNP/Plaid Cymru coalition, at least that would induce all the recent new British to jump into their boats and paddle back to where they came from, I might join them.
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Post by see2 on May 5, 2023 18:41:55 GMT
They don't. I'd say they'll learn but they won't do that either, well not until it hits them in the pocket. They didn't learn in the 1980s even after Thatcher hit them in their pockets. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 19:32:18 GMT
BBC is forecasting that the National Share of the vote would be: Labour - 35% Conservative - 26% LibDem - 20% Others - 19% If those sort of figures transposed to a General Election then Labour would be the largest Party but without a majority. I honestly expected Labour to do better (what do I know) but it seems that they have not increased their support since last years local elections - neither has the LibDems for that matter. What seems to be happening is that the Tory vote is either staying at home or leaching to the 'Others' (Reform, Independents etc). Whether that Tory vote will return at next years General Election is the thousand dollar question. I think that is quite a good assessment. Voter turnout is even lower than usual and one big possible reason for that is Tories not voting. I suspect many of them would turn out to vote Tory in a General Election, so Labour's lead is a lot softer than it looks, methinks. Of course a lot can change in unforeseen ways between now and the election. |
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Post by sandypine on May 5, 2023 20:58:52 GMT
They don't. I'd say they'll learn but they won't do that either, well not until it hits them in the pocket. They didn't learn in the 1980s even after Thatcher hit them in their pockets. That is largely because their pockets had been walloped pretty hard by the previous governments. They were used to it in a different way. At least Thatcher was overtly pro-British and that certainly helped. |
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