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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 15:43:49 GMT
And he always will flounder. The funny thing is though, he supports the EU, an organisation dedicated to sending Europe the same anarcho capitalist way as the USA. You cannot get a more juxtaposed position. Hence the attack on establishments like the church , the concept of patriotism, nuclear family etc. Let's hear you defend the church, then. We can move onto the others when you've done that. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 15:45:09 GMT
What idiot described Pol Pot as a Marxist? Did he introduce democracy into Cambodia? Well is that not the problem. Marxism as a system is only recognised when you say it is Marxism. Capitalism is only that when there is competition, if the Competition is emasculated then it is not Capitalism. You probably won't be surprised to hear that Marxism is Marxism when it is actually Marxism. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 15:48:23 GMT
Name a Marxist state. Name a communist state that has passed on power to the people once it has seized the means of production? Every state that has tried has failed to achieve socialism because it stuck at the communist stage and refused to move on. Every state that has tried is still ruled by an elite. It's just a different boot on the worker's neck. If such a state were to hand power to 'the people', it would go through a short chaotic period, fall apart and then things would be seized by another elite who attempted to restore order. I feel you are barely an inch from enlightenment now lol The State won't just hand power to the people. It will occur by a process of evolution, whereby capitalist society will become more socialist over time (as has been steadily happening since the inception of capitalism.) |
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Post by Bentley on May 4, 2023 15:49:50 GMT
Hence the attack on establishments like the church , the concept of patriotism, nuclear family etc. Let's hear you defend the church, then. We can move onto the others when you've done that. Not for me to defend . I’m merely pointing out the strategy Darwin. Not giving you the opportunity to obsfugate. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 15:52:38 GMT
Let's hear you defend the church, then. We can move onto the others when you've done that. Not for me to defend . I’m merely pointing out the strategy Darwin. Not giving you the opportunity to obsfugate. LOL! You're another right-wing sky pilot, aren't you? No wonder you don't believe in the evolution of society. You probably don't believe in the evolution of man from the ape, either.  |
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Post by Vinny on May 4, 2023 15:56:20 GMT
The far left are insane.
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 15:57:34 GMT
That's okay. You're a coward who hides behind the ignore button while making remarks about other users. And if you want to discuss insanity, start up a discussion with Benny about the immaculate conception. He'd also like to discuss the Nuclear Family. Let him explain how Mary, Joseph, and the Holy Ghost were the perfect family unit. Good thing Joseph wasn't a jealous man. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 4, 2023 16:12:29 GMT
That's okay. You're a coward who hides behind the ignore button while making remarks about other users. And if you want to discuss insanity, start up a discussion with Benny about the immaculate conception. He'd also like to discuss the Nuclear Family. Let him explain how Mary, Joseph, and the Holy Ghost were the perfect family unit. Good thing Joseph wasn't a jealous man.  |
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Post by Bentley on May 4, 2023 16:17:31 GMT
Not for me to defend . I’m merely pointing out the strategy Darwin. Not giving you the opportunity to obsfugate. LOL! You're another right-wing sky pilot, aren't you? No wonder you don't believe in the evolution of society. You probably don't believe in the evolution of man from the ape, either. I see that you are using your strategy when losing an argument ..a torrent of ad Homs. Actually your brand of wokeism is alarming close to religion . Feelings over facts. Maybe you are a left wing sky pilot 😉 |
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Post by Pacifico on May 4, 2023 16:19:32 GMT
Oh - so we have suddenly left Ireland and moved onto something else. As you say England, Scotland and Wales suffered less than other areas in Europe - which considering that at that time the UK was arguably the most capitalist country in Europe due to the Industrial Revolution that was in full swing, tends to show that capitalism was pretty irrelevant either way. Wasn't it the same thing at the same time. Capitalism ignored what they went through. And capitalism has maintained high prices, causing starvation all over the world. Nobody's saying that 'communist' Russia wasn't a shithole. The fact is that early capitalism was just as big a shithole. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system - that is why it is so successful. |
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Post by Bentley on May 4, 2023 16:23:13 GMT
That's okay. You're a coward who hides behind the ignore button while making remarks about other users. And if you want to discuss insanity, start up a discussion with Benny about the immaculate conception. He'd also like to discuss the Nuclear Family. Let him explain how Mary, Joseph, and the Holy Ghost were the perfect family unit. Good thing Joseph wasn't a jealous man. Ooh scatter gun insults , swerves and waffle. Keep trying dalek 😁 |
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Post by sandypine on May 4, 2023 16:34:24 GMT
Well is that not the problem. Marxism as a system is only recognised when you say it is Marxism. Capitalism is only that when there is competition, if the Competition is emasculated then it is not Capitalism. You probably won't be surprised to hear that Marxism is Marxism when it is actually Marxism. I would think that the same would apply to Capitalism but somehow you wish it to have started when you said it did. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 16:40:25 GMT
LOL! You're another right-wing sky pilot, aren't you? No wonder you don't believe in the evolution of society. You probably don't believe in the evolution of man from the ape, either. I see that you are using your strategy when losing an argument ..a torrent of ad Homs. Actually your brand of wokeism is alarming close to religion . Feelings over facts. Maybe you are a left wing sky pilot 😉 LOL! Benny doesn't believe there has been a socialist trend in capitalism, but he does believe a man survived inside a living whale 'for three days and three nights'. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 16:42:03 GMT
You probably won't be surprised to hear that Marxism is Marxism when it is actually Marxism. I would think that the same would apply to Capitalism but somehow you wish it to have started when you said it did. Okay, so tell us where Marxism existed, then. I'd be really interested to hear about this advanced industrial economy that practised populist democracy. I don't recall anyone mentioning it at school. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 4, 2023 16:43:14 GMT
Wasn't it the same thing at the same time. Capitalism ignored what they went through. And capitalism has maintained high prices, causing starvation all over the world. Nobody's saying that 'communist' Russia wasn't a shithole. The fact is that early capitalism was just as big a shithole. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system - that is why it is so successful. It's successful because it has shown itself capable of co-existing with socialism. Capitalism squashed socialism at Peterloo, but if capitalism hadn't evolved there would have been other Peterloos. |
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