|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 30, 2023 20:14:29 GMT
you can shove your coronation up yer arse......
|
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on May 1, 2023 6:04:43 GMT
Latest figures show that if there were to be a General Election today then the SNP would lose all their seats in Westminster, View AttachmentI don't place much faith in polls but if the Scottish Nazi Party get annihilated at the ballot box, good. |
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 11:12:12 GMT
i know vinny. Hopecasting is yor forte as we have seen over a number of years across two forums.
The fortunes of the snp will rise and fall like any other political party , but with nigh on half the scottish popualtion wanting independence , you will be fighting for your union each and every election forevermore till the day the union ends.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 11:44:47 GMT
The fortunes of the snp will rise and fall like any other political party , but with nigh on half the scottish popualtion wanting independence , you will be fighting for your union each and every election forevermore till the day the union ends. I think the obsession to destroy the union overtook any rational argument long ago, which would explain why the propaganda is so bad. The motivation is all negative lightly masked by a pipedream and lots of attention seeking. After all, the fall of the SNP was its own doing, and it was only as successful as it was allowed to be within a devolved framework. Basically, Scotland may favour devolution and the perks that come with it, especially since England is at a disadvantage, but it ends there. The hostility to the Union and England in particular was more about maintaining the party than anything else.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 11:49:21 GMT
The fortunes of the snp will rise and fall like any other political party , but with nigh on half the scottish popualtion wanting independence , you will be fighting for your union each and every election forevermore till the day the union ends. I think the obsession to destroy the union overtook any rational argument long ago, which would explain why the propaganda is so bad. The motivation is all negative lightly masked by a pipedream and lots of attention seeking. After all, the fall of the SNP was its own doing, and it was only as successful as it was allowed to be within a devolved framework. Basically, Scotland may favour devolution and the perks that come with it, especially since England is at a disadvantage, but it ends there. The hostility to the Union and England in particular was more about maintaining the party than anything else.
what more rational argument could there possibly be in independence for your country and the ability of the people to elect their own government to control our own affairs?
Such is the lure of that rational argument , 65 nations left london rule and over 200 nations today maintain that independence .
Whatever your obsession with the snp and your delight in its obvious difficulties and fall in support , one thing is abundantly clear. Independence voters , however disillusioned with the snp , are not flocking to support british parties and the independence movement is growing stronger , not weaker each passing year.
There is no "union " with england. Clearly your government believes we are englands prisoners , rather than an equal partner in a voluntary union.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 12:04:10 GMT
The fact that you're pushing this propaganda where the UK and its government, which the Scottish people voted to be a part of, is somehow not Scotland's simply proves my point. It is clearly a voluntary union on Scotland's part as it was during its inception despite the ongoing denial. If anything, it's England that is being held in a strangle hold.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 12:13:38 GMT
The fact that you're pushing this propaganda where the UK and its government, which the Scottish people voted to be a part, is somehow not Scotland's simply proves my point. It is clearly a voluntary union on Scotland's part as it was during its inception despite the ongoing denial. If anything, it's England that is being held in a strangle hold. what propaganda? You talked about rational argument and i gave you one.
We cannot be in a volutary union where one side wont accept democratic mandates from a party that has won numerous elections , on a mandate to hold further inddy referendums , and then your country refuses to accept those mandates.
Nothing voluntary about it.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 12:15:05 GMT
If anything, it's England that is being held in a strangle hold. The clear and obvious retort to that is your country holds 82 % of the seats at westmisnter , and can clearly end the union anytime it likes unlike us. Trying to imply scotland or the celtic countires hold england in a stranglehold is fucking laughable. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 12:33:04 GMT
The situation is as I described it. You should take note of the Scottish people who disagree with you, because it's they and they alone who reject you. England has NO say over Scottish politics and has no representation of its own. The fact that you cannot even understand what I mean by a stranglehold sums it up.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 13:18:22 GMT
The situation is as I described it. prove it?
How do the scottish people disagree with me when they have given the snp 6 mandates to hold another indy ref since 2014 , and currently the majroty of scots polled say holyrood should have the power to do so?
THE majority of Scots do not think Holyrood should require anyone’s permission to hold a second independence referendum, a new poll has found
THE majority of Scots do not think Holyrood should require anyone’s permission to hold a second independence referendum, a new poll has found.
By 51% to 40%, voters north of the Border think the Scottish Parliament should be able to hold indyref2 whether Westminster agrees or not.
The results come despite a split in the poll showing that No would win such a referendum by 54% to 46%, with don’t knows removed.
The YouGov survey, conducted from February 17-20, also shed light on perceptions of Nicola Sturgeon’s time in office.
Did you miss the bit where four of your last prime ministers and your parliament said time and again they wont let scotland have a referendum , wont agree to the section 30 process , and want to hold scotland prisoner?
the fact you canot understand westmsinter is the de facto english parliament as boris johnson implied , with 82 % of the seats , more than all the other three combined , and holds the other three countires in a stanglehold while you try and limply present the opposite is laughable.
...but then ,what do i expect from a tommy robinson fan? All siege mentality and insecurity.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 13:28:53 GMT
Im bored now. Enjoy your loony propaganda and bullshit.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 13:37:25 GMT
Im bored now. Enjoy your loony propaganda and bullshit. when asked for proof , and replied to with fact , b4 runs off claiming he is bored.
off you pop then , as ever i accept your surrender.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 13:43:41 GMT
If you like, I just don't find you to be worthy of my time. You just repeat the same propaganda, whilst I look at the situation more objectively. This is because I don't have the same desires as you, but I can say that it won't be England's loss if Scotland buggered off to the Forth Reich. I think most on here have established that I am not a fan of the Westminster establishment, who actually seem to have more in common with the EUphiles and identity politics driven loons up north than the good people of England and Wales, as well as the Scottish people who rejected you.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 14:10:31 GMT
If you like, I just don't find you to be worthy of my time. You just repeat the same propaganda, whilst I look at the situation more objectively. This is because I don't have the same desires as you, but I can say that it won't be England's loss if Scotland buggered off to the Forth Reich. I think most on here have established that I am not a fan of the Westminster establishment, who actually seem to have more in common with the EUphiles and identity politics driven loons up north than the good people of England and Wales, as well as the Scottish people who rejected you. ....but actions speak louder than empty words b4 , and consistently you have to come back , raise your eyes to me in apprehension and demand my time and replies to your ill thought out posts?
 will you stope it?
you just feel the need to come on here and tell me how you arent bovvered? 
meanwhile back in the real world......
British Diplomats ordered to Spy on Scottish Gov Ministers and Foreign Governments warned not to talk directly to Scottish Government representatives
The People of Scotland are held against their will in an unequal Union!
It emerged last month that Foreign Secretary James Cleverly had issued a letter to all UK diplomats with four demands on handling Holyrood ministers’ foreign visits and discussions.
The rules were as follows: All ambassadors must “gather information” on news of Scottish ministers’ foreign trips, all Scottish Government communication with foreign countries must go through the UK, all ambassadors must tell foreign countries to go through the UK and not talk directly to Scottish representatives and, finally, a UK official must sit in on meetings with Holyrood officials and foreign counterparts
|
|
will you stope it?