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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 21, 2023 15:16:42 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 21, 2023 15:19:55 GMT
If Labour thought pets would vote for them, they'd include them. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 21, 2023 16:06:00 GMT
If Labour thought pets would vote for them, they'd include them.  and Lampposts |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 22, 2023 11:24:46 GMT
Only citizens can vote.
Please dont use fear to support your xenophobia. Farage tried that.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2023 13:07:53 GMT
Only citizens can vote.
Please dont use fear to support your xenophobia. Farage tried that. Citizens of where though. British, Irish and qualifying Commonwealth citizens can all vote in UK GE's. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 14:49:30 GMT
There are ony 2 European nations which are not signed up to the ECHR, and they are Belarus and Russia, which in itself tells you a lot. Even Turkey is signed up to the ECHR.
The ECHR was created and put together by the Council of Europe in the aftermath of the Second World War and the UK is a founding member of the European Convention on Human Rights.
We have been here before
The "Windrush Scandal" was without doubt one of the most shameful episodes in modern British history, and it all happened in an atmosphere of the deliberate "Hostile Environment Policy" of Theresa May. The scandal involved deporting people who the British government had absolutely no right what so ever to deport.
There are some Tory MPs who wish the UK to abandon the ECHR, but thankfuly most Tory MPs will not allow it, and neither will Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and other political parties.
Once you begin to look for opt-outs or mechanisms to disregard the convention, you are on the slippery road towards authoritarianism, and disregard for the rule of law.
Rishi Sunak will do well to leave well alone, because if he goes down this path, he s going to get bitter confrontation, and not only with Labour, but from within his own party at a time when he can do well without it, he will also create a fight with The House of Lords too.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 22, 2023 15:28:07 GMT
There are ony 2 European nations which are not signed up to the ECHR, and they are Belarus and Russia, which in itself tells you a lot. Even Turkey is signed up to the ECHR. The ECHR was created and put together by the Council of Europe in the aftermath of the Second World War and the UK is a founding member of the European Convention on Human Rights. We have been here before The "Windrush Scandal" was without doubt one of the most shameful episodes in modern British history, and it all happened in an atmosphere of the deliberate "Hostile Environment Policy" of Theresa May. The scandal involved deporting people who the British government had absolutely no right what so ever to deport. There are some Tory MPs who wish the UK to abandon the ECHR, but thankfuly most Tory MPs will not allow it, and neither will Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and other political parties. Once you begin to look for opt-outs or mechanisms to disregard the convention, you are on the slippery road towards authoritarianism, and disregard for the rule of law. Rishi Sunak will do well to leave well alone, because if he goes down this path, he s going to get bitter confrontation, and not only with Labour, but from within his own party at a time when he can do well without it, he will also create a fight with The House of Lords too. The problem is that the convention is regarded as a living instrument and not an historical agreement. We are signed up to and bound by an agreement that is not what was envisaged by those who signed us into it. It has expanded into areas that were never envisaged. It has become a Constitution and binds governments with its decisions based on interpretation, both now and historical, forcing changes to laws and blocking new laws. There is a general perception that in the ECHR and in the wider UN charters that any, and every, opportunity will be taken by these bodies to enforce the UK into positions it would not normally take as a means of some kind of retribution for perceived past 'crimes'. Of course this perception must be wrong as all other governments, courts and UN agencies act with the utmost integrity with no ulterior motives considered in any way. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 16:46:49 GMT
sandypine >> The problem is that the convention is regarded as a living instrument and not an historical agreement.
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The ECHR became Statute Law in the United KIngdom in 1998, meaning it was no longer simply an International Agreement, but was fully incorporated into our laws.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2023 16:50:14 GMT
sandypine >> The problem is that the convention is regarded as a living instrument and not an historical agreement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ECHR became Statute Law in the United KIngdom in 1998, meaning it was no longer simply an International Agreement, but was fully incorporated into our laws. Are you unaware that laws can be rescinded as well as adopted. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 17:05:38 GMT
Yes I am fully aware, but even within the Conservative Parliamentary Party there are not enough MPs who would vote to repeal the ECHR as it stands on our statute books.
THere are a few rabid right wing Tory MPs who would, but they stand no chance
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2023 17:14:19 GMT
Yes I am fully aware, but even within the Conservative Parliamentary Party there are not enough MPs who would vote to repeal the ECHR as it stands on our statute books. THere are a few rabid right wing Tory MPs who would, but they stand no chance I am at a loss to understand the rationale of anyone who thinks legislation that was penned in 195O/51 in the shadow of WW2 when there were millions of displaced people in a war shattered Europe, is still relevant today. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 8:54:26 GMT
The only people that can vote are those on the electoral register, that is why we are all sent an electoral card. If someone votes under a genuine name the genuine voter is not allowed to vote. All these instances are counted and amount to less than 10. And Labour have implemented rolling out the vote to anyone 16 or over regardless of citizenship to tgeir devolved fiefdom snd Sturgeon did the same north of the border. Tbe dinghy paddlers are being handed twice as much as a pensioner to invade wales But of course you lie, unsurprising really. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 8:55:05 GMT
If Labour thought pets would vote for them, they'd include them. More utter rubbish. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 9:11:26 GMT
If Labour thought pets would vote for them, they'd include them. More utter rubbish. %&*!"$fjfuryjf %!"kjfueyegef |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 10:03:23 GMT
Only citizens can vote.
Please dont use fear to support your xenophobia. Farage tried that. Citizens of where though. British, Irish and qualifying Commonwealth citizens can all vote in UK GE's. That's correct qualifying. |
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