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Post by Vinny on Apr 19, 2023 12:52:16 GMT
The engines used in Grenadier will be six-cylinder petrol and diesel BMW powerplants, which would also be easier and cost-effective to transport to a production facility on the French border rather than incurring import tariffs to ship to Wales post-Brexit.
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There's a tariff free deal with the EU. Think about it. No tariffs. No quotas. That's a "so what" matter, as China isn't in the EU, Sweden is. The EU is supposed to be wonderful, it's supposed to be the best place in the world to do business. Turns out, it isn't. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 19, 2023 13:13:41 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Apr 19, 2023 13:44:18 GMT
How can that be if the EU is such a good market?
And doesn't this also go to show that the market outside the EU is a better market than previously claimed by remoaners?
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 19, 2023 14:42:50 GMT
How can that be if the EU is such a good market? And doesn't this also go to show that the market outside the EU is a better market than previously claimed by remoaners? EU members has access to over 80 countries with which it had trade agreements. Which markets outside the EU?? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 14:44:30 GMT
More than 50% of all cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the European Union
This is as a direct result of the UK been a member of the EU, and both Nissan and Honda have made it very clear that they would not have invested in the UK if we had been outside the European Union.
The fact that the UK attracted the second highest level of DFI (Direct Foreign Investment) in the world, is also almost entirely due to the UK been a member of the EU.
Any car manufacturer from the U.S, Japan, Korea, China or elsewhere would think carefuly about choosing Britain as a place to manufacture, simply because it makes far far more sense to build a manufacturing base inside the Single Market.
Its plainly obvious, that lots of future foreign investment which would have come here, is now going to go to the EU, it just makes good business sense.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 19, 2023 14:47:37 GMT
The engines used in Grenadier will be six-cylinder petrol and diesel BMW powerplants, which would also be easier and cost-effective to transport to a production facility on the French border rather than incurring import tariffs to ship to Wales post-Brexit.
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There's a tariff free deal with the EU. Think about it. No tariffs. No quotas. That's a "so what" matter, as China isn't in the EU, Sweden is. The EU is supposed to be wonderful, it's supposed to be the best place in the world to do business. Turns out, it isn't. For christs sake learn the difference between tarrifs and customs duties. And that there are far more trading pattners outside the EU than inside it. You dont have to be a member to trade with the EU. Example..the UK. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 19, 2023 14:50:51 GMT
There is a tariff free quota free trade deal, what difference does it make Sid?
And Nissan have said they're not leaving.
Honda said their decision to close Swindon was nothing to do with Brexit either.
Meanwhile lots of other car and van manufacturers ditched the UK long before our referendum.
Ford left in 2000, and switched car production into the EU, because it was cheaper to import into the UK than to make in the UK.
Many others followed suit.
Big problem with the EU, it maintains poverty in its East, and manufacturing in the East of the EU is cheaper.
If they were to set a minimum wage for the bloc, and establish a unified tax system common to all member states, plus a common welfare system it would do more good than a single market.
The CAP, the CFP, the Single Market, all these things are rather negative in practice.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 17:10:37 GMT
Well he never had any business in the UK to keep here - this is a new venture.As far as Brexit being good enough for normal business - well that is to be determined. What we do know is that when we were in the EU that was far from good for car manufacturing in the UK - when we joined the EU Ford were producing 300,000 vehicles a year in the UK - by the time we left they were producing exactly zero. You are playing semantics again.  Anyway. In the case of Ineos, Radcliffe seems to have determined that it's better for the electric version of his new Grenadier to be "developed with a Canadian car parts manufacturer" and built in Austria. Once again, the point is, why does a Brexit supporter and promoter like Radcliffe give business to the EU rather than Brexit Britain? Well as I have already said, I dont think this is being built as a genuine production car - it sounds more like a compliance vehicle. The market for this vehicle is going to be extremely restricted so setting a car plant from scratch is not financially worthwhile (whatever country you do it in) - hence the outsourcing to Steyr at their existing facility. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 17:40:07 GMT
Some people are investing in the UK - the Indians are pumping in £15 Billion!..  |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 22, 2023 7:11:04 GMT
There is a tariff free quota free trade deal, what difference does it make Sid? And Nissan have said they're not leaving. Honda said their decision to close Swindon was nothing to do with Brexit either. Meanwhile lots of other car and van manufacturers ditched the UK long before our referendum. Ford left in 2000, and switched car production into the EU, because it was cheaper to import into the UK than to make in the UK. Many others followed suit. Big problem with the EU, it maintains poverty in its East, and manufacturing in the East of the EU is cheaper. If they were to set a minimum wage for the bloc, and establish a unified tax system common to all member states, plus a common welfare system it would do more good than a single market. The CAP, the CFP, the Single Market, all these things are rather negative in practice. So now Vinny is wanting LESS sovereignty and MORE control from a more powerful Brussels. I dont know why he bothers. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 13:07:47 GMT
The engines used in Grenadier will be six-cylinder petrol and diesel BMW powerplants, which would also be easier and cost-effective to transport to a production facility on the French border rather than incurring import tariffs to ship to Wales post-Brexit.
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BMW powerplants have been used in many British assembled cars including Minis. Whilst we were in the EEC and EU our manufacturing fell into a steep decline. Don't pretend everything would have been good if we'd stayed. Things were bad, really bad. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 26, 2023 13:23:26 GMT
More than 50% of all cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the European Union This is as a direct result of the UK been a member of the EU, and both Nissan and Honda have made it very clear that they would not have invested in the UK if we had been outside the European Union. The fact that the UK attracted the second highest level of DFI (Direct Foreign Investment) in the world, is also almost entirely due to the UK been a member of the EU. Any car manufacturer from the U.S, Japan, Korea, China or elsewhere would think carefuly about choosing Britain as a place to manufacture, simply because it makes far far more sense to build a manufacturing base inside the Single Market. Its plainly obvious, that lots of future foreign investment which would have come here, is now going to go to the EU, it just makes good business sense. Yep one of the risks of Brexit meaning we will need to offer carrots or tarifs to attract certain investment. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2023 10:36:12 GMT
The engines used in Grenadier will be six-cylinder petrol and diesel BMW powerplants, which would also be easier and cost-effective to transport to a production facility on the French border rather than incurring import tariffs to ship to Wales post-Brexit.
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BMW powerplants have been used in many British assembled cars including Minis. Whilst we were in the EEC and EU our manufacturing fell into a steep decline. Don't pretend everything would have been good if we'd stayed. Things were bad, really bad. I’m pretending nothing, but I’m noting that bringing components into the UK post Brexit incurs import tariffs that wouldn’t have been there pre-Brexit. UK manufacturing’s decline was due to home-grown factors such as poor industrial relations, too much reliance on traditional cash cows, the inability to turn innovations into profitable business, post-war governments with pre-war colonial and empire derived outlooks, etc, etc, etc… |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 27, 2023 10:42:04 GMT
No, it doesn't, there are no tariffs on imports from the EU. There are no quotas on imports from the EU. There's a free trade agreement: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982648/TS_8.2021_UK_EU_EAEC_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement.pdfObviously making components and vehicles here, has a lower carbon footprint, but it's more expensive, due to wages, and taxes, but the EU never did anything to create wage parity across the union. What it did, was create a race to the bottom. I wish to diversify our trade and do more trade with dissimilar economies who do not make what we make. That way, they are not in competition with us, unlikely to undercut us, or to cause the relocation of factories which so often happened when we were in the EU. |
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