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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2023 9:24:11 GMT
Thanks Steve. I just knew it was going to be another triicksy set of graphs from a bias source. Yet, you and your ilk have no hard evidence that Brexit has wrecked the economy. Please, put up or shut up. Well first of all Buccaneer best you show a post of mine where I say Brexit has wrecked the economy. It's harmed it, it's harmed our world leverage on other matters but I've never said 'wrecked'. If the hard Brexiters had got their way it might have been and some vandals still argue for such lunacy. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 9:45:25 GMT
Yet, you and your ilk have no hard evidence that Brexit has wrecked the economy. Please, put up or shut up. Well first of all Buccaneer best you show a post of mine where I say Brexit has wrecked the economy. It's harmed it, it's harmed our world leverage on other matters but I've never said 'wrecked'. If the hard Brexiters had got their way it might have been and some vandals still argue for such lunacy. You haven't even been able to demonstrate how it has harmed the economy. How has it harmed our "world leverage on other matters"? Explain and support how it has harmed the economy with actual proof. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 9:58:16 GMT
The only less than honest feature in this section of the forum is the myth that Brexit is the cause of low GDP growth and everything else wrong with the British economy. When you yourself have been found wanting to produce hard evidence that this is the case, nobody has proven Brexit to be the issue of Britain's economy. The slow growth for Britain is traced back to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 when the UK was a member of the EU. But the dishonesty of Europhiles would have everyone believe this happened when the UK left the EU. This ^^ is interesting: First, the "myth" is that Brexit is A (not The) cause of UK's comparative growth. Still, if that really was just a myth, then why wouldn't or couldn't anyone from the Brexit Fundamentalist brigade show evidence to bust that supposed myth? The comparative slow growth and the decline started happening after the UK left the EU, didn't it!? It's not even up for debate. The danger is that there is no replacement, so to speak. Studies conclude that the British economy is 4% smaller but Global Britain has not managed to find one single trading agreement that could boost the economy substantially. You guys can't really go on gas lighting people that leaving the EU has not damaged the economy. Your best argument would be to say that all these economic problems are the price to pay for getting out of the EU. Try it and see if that argument holds water. The point is, the financial crisis of 2008/2009 was caused by credit liberalisation. Or deregulation. Or rules and following rules and regulations. But, ironically, Brexit Britain wants more of that deregulation thing.  |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 10:01:09 GMT
Factually wrong: In the early 2000s, Britain was attracting and retaining a steady flow of foreign-born migrants. But after 2018, EU immigration tailed off, and the number of EU-born residents leaving the UK each year has outnumbered new arrivals (figure 3). There has not been a compensatory increase in non-EU immigration, which has reduced the size and diversity of the UK labor pool and could have implications for fiscal sustainability.Last year the UK hit a new record for net immigration of over 500,000 Please read properly. The quoted text refers to NON EU immigration. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2023 10:07:10 GMT
Well first of all Buccaneer best you show a post of mine where I say Brexit has wrecked the economy. It's harmed it, it's harmed our world leverage on other matters but I've never said 'wrecked'. If the hard Brexiters had got their way it might have been and some vandals still argue for such lunacy. You haven't even been able to demonstrate how it has harmed the economy. How has it harmed our "world leverage on other matters"? Explain and support how it has harmed the economy with actual proof. Err yes I very much have as the graph showed. The OBR agree too, in fact anyone but dyed in the wool Brexiters accepts it has hit the economy by ~4% And you were lying your sorry arse off with that 'wrecked' allegation. Lets see if you're man enough to apologise and retract it. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 10:10:26 GMT
The state support for essential care for cancer and heart conditions applies to everyone. Essential care includes necessary scans etc allied to those conditions. State support for those on SMIC or state relief/ unemployment is monitored through tax returns and demands for benefits. OK I looked it up. The health insurance in France is compulsory just like our National insurance. If you cannot afford to pay for it the state assists you with the payments. The same service is available to everyone. You can buy extra cover, faster treatment etc just like the UK. The only visible difference is that the suppliers of care are often private companies. (Which as you say is the same in the UK, only we hide it from the public because they don't want that) My fear of privatising the health service in the UK (In the name of efficiency) is that it follows the others which have been privatised, such as our water companies. Bills rise to cover the "better service" and the service doesn't get any better than it would have done if the public service had got more money, but the shareholders get wealthier. The NHS is largely privatised now. There are prescription charges to pay large pharma companies who develop medicines. High street eye and ear care as privtae companies. Privatised dentistry. Private consultants. Private care companies for home care. If shareholders want to get larger profits for their investments, the companies will have to compete for contracts to supply NHS Trusts which drives the price of supplies, paid for by the taxpayer, down. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 10:12:20 GMT
The only less than honest feature in this section of the forum is the myth that Brexit is the cause of low GDP growth and everything else wrong with the British economy. When you yourself have been found wanting to produce hard evidence that this is the case, nobody has proven Brexit to be the issue of Britain's economy. The slow growth for Britain is traced back to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 when the UK was a member of the EU. But the dishonesty of Europhiles would have everyone believe this happened when the UK left the EU. This ^^ is interesting: First, the "myth" is that Brexit is A (not The) cause of UK's comparative growth. Still, if that really was just a myth, then why wouldn't or couldn't anyone from the Brexit Fundamentalist brigade show evidence to bust that supposed myth? The comparative slow growth and the decline started happening after the UK left the EU, didn't it!? It's not even up for debate. The danger is that there is no replacement, so to speak. Studies conclude that the British economy is 4% smaller but Global Britain has not managed to find one single trading agreement that could boost the economy substantially. You guys can't really go on gas lighting people that leaving the EU has not damaged the economy. Your best argument would be to say that all these economic problems are the price to pay for getting out of the EU. Try it and see if that argument holds water. The point is, the financial crisis of 2008/2009 was caused by credit liberalisation. Or deregulation. Or rules and following rules and regulations. But, ironically, Brexit Britain wants more of that deregulation thing. Your lack of knowledge on the subject matter prevented me getting passed the bolded sentence. Please read up on this before regurgitating what someone like Femi Oluwole spoon feeds you. Once you're up to speed, perhaps we can go from there... |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 10:13:22 GMT
Well first of all Buccaneer best you show a post of mine where I say Brexit has wrecked the economy. It's harmed it, it's harmed our world leverage on other matters but I've never said 'wrecked'. If the hard Brexiters had got their way it might have been and some vandals still argue for such lunacy. You haven't even been able to demonstrate how it has harmed the economy. How has it harmed our "world leverage on other matters"? Explain and support how it has harmed the economy with actual proof. I just posted a link this morning that explained it. Factual knowledge is not gained by ignoring it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 10:15:49 GMT
You haven't even been able to demonstrate how it has harmed the economy. How has it harmed our "world leverage on other matters"? Explain and support how it has harmed the economy with actual proof. Err yes I very much have as the graph showed. The OBR agree too, in fact anyone but dyed in the wool Brexiters accepts it has hit the economy by ~4% And you were lying your sorry arse off with that 'wrecked' allegation. Lets see if you're man enough to apologise and retract it. Err, you have no proof. You rely on flawed modelling of the doppelganger effect to make that 4% hit to the economy up. That isn't proof I'm afraid. And do fuck off with your black and white view of the world, you literal idiot. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 10:16:05 GMT
That's not proof of a Brexit effect where low GDP growth is concerned. Lol. Low GDP growth equals a weakening economy. Read the article properly. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 10:17:36 GMT
You haven't even been able to demonstrate how it has harmed the economy. How has it harmed our "world leverage on other matters"? Explain and support how it has harmed the economy with actual proof. I just posted a link this morning that explained it. Factual knowledge is not gained by ignoring it. Sorry, a dip in FDI doesn't prove the economy is harmed, neither does less migration from the EU prove that - what it has shown is that wages have gone up. You've been schooled on this previously. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 10:18:35 GMT
That's not proof of a Brexit effect where low GDP growth is concerned. Lol. Low GDP growth equals a weakening economy. Read the article properly. Low GDP growth hasn't recovered since the FC in 2008/09. Read the stats properly before making up BS. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 10:18:44 GMT
Err yes I very much have as the graph showed. The OBR agree too, in fact anyone but dyed in the wool Brexiters accepts it has hit the economy by ~4% And you were lying your sorry arse off with that 'wrecked' allegation. Lets see if you're man enough to apologise and retract it. Err, you have no proof. You rely on flawed modelling of the doppelganger effect to make that 4% hit to the economy up. That isn't proof I'm afraid. So what would you use to pretend that the UK economy is doing just fine. The UK is being assessed just the same as any other country. Why should it be assessed diifferently? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 10:21:03 GMT
IMAGINE - PIcking 100 tons of Green Apples to sell to a country which has an apetite for Red Apples, and then imagine loading those Apples into bales of 1 ton to send to a country with forklift trucks which handle bales of half a ton. Then, imagine sending those bales of apples on open backed lorries to a country which has regulations which say fruit MUST be transported in refrigerated lorries. Then, imagine if those same Apples are washed in a solution containing a waxing agent, when the Importing nations regulations state "No Artificial Ingredients". This is exactly what the UK is doing - we are diverging rules and regulations from the SAME rules as our biggest export market to "British" rules, and its so ridiculous that no one can defend how utterly stupid it is. Idiots like Jacob Reece Mogg are tranfixed on ultra British sovereignty, even down to the fucking colour of a passport, people like him, and those that support him are mad, they would risk the economy and jobs for a pointless, meaningless exercise in stamping British authority over everything like a spoilt child. But let them carry on with their fanatical nonsense, I am close to retirement, I have no mortgage and pay no rent, but its a shame that these Nutters are harming our country for the younger generation. 
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 10:22:13 GMT
Err, you have no proof. You rely on flawed modelling of the doppelganger effect to make that 4% hit to the economy up. That isn't proof I'm afraid. So wht would you use to pretend that the UK economy is doing just fine. The UK is being assessed just the same as any other coounntry. Why should it be assessed diifferently? What idiot said this? |
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