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Post by oracle75 on Apr 15, 2023 14:45:46 GMT
I believe the UK spends about 180 billion a year on the NHS and hopes it covers what other countries spend plus additional personal insurance. It just isnt sustainable. The government just cannot afford to shoulder the entire cost of the nation's health needs anymore. The quasi religious belief that state support alone can do this will begin to eat into other critical needs and the essential quality of life will diminish. In 2020 the UK spent more than the EU average on healthcare  Does this include all the private insuranve most people have to top up the basic state expenditure? What the UK is doing is trying to make those two expenditures all covered by the state. It cant be done. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 15, 2023 14:51:17 GMT
I believe the UK spends about 180 billion a year on the NHS and hopes it covers what other countries spend plus additional personal insurance. It just isnt sustainable. The government just cannot afford to shoulder the entire cost of the nation's health needs anymore. The quasi religious belief that state support alone can do this will begin to eat into other critical needs and the essential quality of life will diminish. In 2020 the UK spent more than the EU average on healthcare Read your own graph. France spends far less of compulsory state % of GDP than the UK. I am suggesting that more personal insurance would relieve UK state costs.o |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 15, 2023 14:51:38 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2023 15:21:38 GMT
In 2020 the UK spent more than the EU average on healthcare Read your own graph. France spends far less of compulsory state % of GDP than the UK. I am suggesting that more personal insurance would relieve UK state costs.o Ear wax removal is not done in on the NHS. Cataract operations are done but have a huge waiting list. You need to go private if you don’t want to go blind . Varicose vein treatment is not done until you get leg ulcers in some areas ..best to go private . My wife had two thumb joints replaced in the last two years . No one does that in our area . I suspect there will be less and less operations and procedures done on the NHS over time . Especially ones that are mainly done on old people . |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 15, 2023 17:14:24 GMT
In 2020 the UK spent more than the EU average on healthcare
What the UK is doing is trying to make those two expenditures all covered by the state. It cant be done. Yes - the UK spends almost exactly the same as Belgium and Austria |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 15, 2023 18:09:23 GMT
Does this include all the private insuranve most people have to top up the basic state expenditure?
What the UK is doing is trying to make those two expenditures all covered by the state. It cant be done. Yes - the UK spends almost exactly the same as Belgium and Austria But in both and most other countries the personal insurance makes the health system effective. The UK just cannot rely solely on it and expect similar care. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 15, 2023 21:06:05 GMT
Yes - the UK spends almost exactly the same as Belgium and Austria But in both and most other countries the personal insurance makes the health system effective. The UK just cannot rely solely on it and expect similar care. I dont ever expect similar levels of care with the existing system. For example the NHS spent last year £8.2 billion on compensation for maternity clinical negligence claims - that was nearly THREE times the amount NHS spends on providing those services in the first place. The present system is broken but there are still too many people wedded to it to allow any change. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 15, 2023 21:51:48 GMT
The only less than honest feature in this section of the forum is the myth that Brexit is the cause of low GDP growth and everything else wrong with the British economy. When you yourself have been found wanting to produce hard evidence that this is the case, nobody has proven Brexit to be the issue of Britain's economy.
The slow growth for Britain is traced back to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 when the UK was a member of the EU. But the dishonesty of Europhiles would have everyone believe this happened when the UK left the EU.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 6:24:49 GMT
The only less than honest feature in this section of the forum is the myth that Brexit is the cause of low GDP growth and everything else wrong with the British economy. When you yourself have been found wanting to produce hard evidence that this is the case, nobody has proven Brexit to be the issue of Britain's economy. The slow growth for Britain is traced back to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 when the UK was a member of the EU. But the dishonesty of Europhiles would have everyone believe this happened when the UK left the EU. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2023 6:57:16 GMT
The only less than honest feature in this section of the forum is the myth that Brexit is the cause of low GDP growth and everything else wrong with the British economy. When you yourself have been found wanting to produce hard evidence that this is the case, nobody has proven Brexit to be the issue of Britain's economy. The slow growth for Britain is traced back to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 when the UK was a member of the EU. But the dishonesty of Europhiles would have everyone believe this happened when the UK left the EU. Factually wrong: In the early 2000s, Britain was attracting and retaining a steady flow of foreign-born migrants. But after 2018, EU immigration tailed off, and the number of EU-born residents leaving the UK each year has outnumbered new arrivals (figure 3). There has not been a compensatory increase in non-EU immigration, which has reduced the size and diversity of the UK labor pool and could have implications for fiscal sustainability.Last year the UK hit a new record for net immigration of over 500,000 |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 7:01:54 GMT
The state support for essential care for cancer and heart conditions applies to everyone. Essential care includes necessary scans etc allied to those conditions. State support for those on SMIC or state relief/ unemployment is monitored through tax returns and demands for benefits. OK I looked it up. The health insurance in France is compulsory just like our National insurance. If you cannot afford to pay for it the state assists you with the payments. The same service is available to everyone. You can buy extra cover, faster treatment etc just like the UK. The only visible difference is that the suppliers of care are often private companies. (Which as you say is the same in the UK, only we hide it from the public because they don't want that) My fear of privatising the health service in the UK (In the name of efficiency) is that it follows the others which have been privatised, such as our water companies. Bills rise to cover the "better service" and the service doesn't get any better than it would have done if the public service had got more money, but the shareholders get wealthier. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 7:07:45 GMT
Exactly, it's intermediate. No worse than the EU but Oracle and co. can't help themselves. Here's another graphic displaying with the UK outperforming the G7 if the US is excluded. Doesn't say much for the EU.  . . . . Actually it just shows how your source of Briefings for Britain (the former Briefings for Brexit) are less than honest. The World Bank that knows that GDP growth by devaluing the currency is a fraud show it different when using a common reference currency value (US$) UK GDP in world comparable terms using a common reference currency *US$) Struggling for any real growth compared to 2015  Eurozone GDP in world comparable terms using a common reference currency *US$) Oh look big growth since 2015  Thanks Steve. I just knew it was going to be another triicksy set of graphs from a bias source. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 7:11:18 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 8:27:27 GMT
The only less than honest feature in this section of the forum is the myth that Brexit is the cause of low GDP growth and everything else wrong with the British economy. When you yourself have been found wanting to produce hard evidence that this is the case, nobody has proven Brexit to be the issue of Britain's economy. The slow growth for Britain is traced back to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 when the UK was a member of the EU. But the dishonesty of Europhiles would have everyone believe this happened when the UK left the EU. That's not proof of a Brexit effect where low GDP growth is concerned. Lol. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 8:30:52 GMT
Actually it just shows how your source of Briefings for Britain (the former Briefings for Brexit) are less than honest. The World Bank that knows that GDP growth by devaluing the currency is a fraud show it different when using a common reference currency value (US$) UK GDP in world comparable terms using a common reference currency *US$) Struggling for any real growth compared to 2015 Eurozone GDP in world comparable terms using a common reference currency *US$) Oh look big growth since 2015 Thanks Steve. I just knew it was going to be another triicksy set of graphs from a bias source. Yet, you and your ilk have no hard evidence that Brexit has wrecked the economy. Please, put up or shut up. |
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