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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 15:43:41 GMT
I wish I was in dreamland but unfortunately I had to suffer the NHS at that time.. You cannot use your anecdotal experience at one hospital to judge the state of the whole NHS. Try comparing waiting times and patient satisfaction surveys. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 15:45:27 GMT
The public satisfaction rate of the NHS in 2010 was at a record high Waiting times were much much lower Waiting lists were much lower, and began rising BEFORE anyone had ever heard of Covid19 It was not normal in 2009 to wait almost an hour for an ambulance after dialing 999 There was not a staffing crisis in the NHS in 2009 You could get a GP appointment in 2 or 3 days - today its more like 2 or 3 weeks MOST hospital staff today are pissed off, fed up, feel demoralised and unappreciated, most junior doctors are working unsafe hours, hours that would not be tolerated in much of the private sector, and the unfilled vaccancies continue to rise. The severe problems within our NHS is on its own, enough for opposition parties to wipe the floor with the Tories - which is precisely what is going to happen. The local elections will be a taster of what is to come. An NHS on tick is a short term great, long term not so great solution. All debt has to be paid for. Agreed, we need to raise taxes to get a proper service back. Rather than privatise it and then find out the real cost. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 15:48:57 GMT
Look at the huge deficit Labour ran from 2001-2010. And then go back to my post. The NHS was on tick. The ex government funded it with excessive borrowing. Not defending the Tories either, they're borrowing too. But at some point everything must be paid for. You mean this huge deficit? The one that was half that of the Tories.  |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 19, 2023 16:27:39 GMT
Deficit spending during a boom is mental.
Deficit spending in a recession is essential.
In a boom run a surplus,pay down debts, get the national finances in good order.
Then when a bust comes, it doesn't hurt so much.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 17:11:45 GMT
Not sure you can blame Tim Martin for failing to forecast the war in Ukraine. Or Truss.
Euro area annual #inflation at 6.9% in March 2023, down from 8.5% in February
It's still over 10% in the UK so less money for food...
But that is mainly based on the way we charge for energy - which would be the same whether we were in the EU or not. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 17:16:14 GMT
Deficit spending during a boom is mental. Deficit spending in a recession is essential. In a boom run a surplus,pay down debts, get the national finances in good order. Then when a bust comes, it doesn't hurt so much. A 13 year boom is amazing. Howzat. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 17:22:49 GMT
Or Truss.
Euro area annual #inflation at 6.9% in March 2023, down from 8.5% in February
It's still over 10% in the UK so less money for food...
But that is mainly based on the way we charge for energy - which would be the same whether we were in the EU or not. That's a good point, do you have any details on this? (obviously I know the British system, what's the European equivalent) All I see at the Moment is interest rate hikes to control runaway inflation. Inflation caused in good part by our government. Ooh look rich buddies, its taken 26 years but we've finally found a way to hike interest rates so we can strip the poor and line our pockets. Sorry its taken so long, but that damned New Labour stitched us up by putting the BofE in charge. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 17:28:06 GMT
Well in France for example the State subsidise the energy companies direct thus keeping domestic bills low.
With regards to the BoE - their remit is to keep inflation at 2%. How is the independent BoE set up by Labour doing?
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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 17:50:17 GMT
The big difference here would be separating other energy prices from gas. In the last 12 months only 41% of our energy came from gas. So nothing to do with the EU as you say. But something the government could easily do to slash inflation at a stroke, only raising interest rates is much better for their real customers. Did bloody well for 13years under Labour and 10 years under Tories. Only now have the Tories found a way to artificially raise inflation high enough to force them to raise rates. And even then they can't get to the 17% of the good old days. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 19, 2023 20:49:06 GMT
Deficit spending during a boom is mental. Deficit spending in a recession is essential. In a boom run a surplus,pay down debts, get the national finances in good order. Then when a bust comes, it doesn't hurt so much. A 13 year boom is amazing. Howzat. And also quite incorrect. The last 3 years of New Labour were an enormous BUST. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 19, 2023 20:51:54 GMT
A 13 year boom is amazing. Howzat. And also quite incorrect. The last 3 years of New Labour were an enormous BUST. 10 years of boom is amazing. Can I assume you are not another nutter who thinks you can blame a global crash lead by lax regulation in the U.S on Gordon Brown? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 21:20:02 GMT
The big difference here would be separating other energy prices from gas. In the last 12 months only 41% of our energy came from gas. So nothing to do with the EU as you say. But something the government could easily do to slash inflation at a stroke, only raising interest rates is much better for their real customers. Well the system we have has been endorsed by all 3 major parties in the UK and as you admit it has nothing to do with EU membership. Given that it has across the board support, perhaps they know something you dont? So 10 years of QE where the BoE were pumping ridiculous amounts of money into the economy had no impact on inflation? Give your head a wobble.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 21:21:35 GMT
And also quite incorrect. The last 3 years of New Labour were an enormous BUST. 10 years of boom is amazing. Can I assume you are not another nutter who thinks you can blame a global crash lead by lax regulation in the U.S on Gordon Brown? Did Gordon Browns lax regulation of the UK financial sector have no impact? |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 19, 2023 21:30:27 GMT
And also quite incorrect. The last 3 years of New Labour were an enormous BUST. 10 years of boom is amazing. Can I assume you are not another nutter who thinks you can blame a global crash lead by lax regulation in the U.S on Gordon Brown? Boom existed from the Ken Clarke era to the first term of New Labour. Then deficit spending and a cost of living crisis began with food banks opening from 2000 onwards. House prices started going nuts. Disparity between the cost of homes and wages started getting worse and worse and worse. Manufacturers were ditching us all over the place. A boom you say? Everything was going wrong. Labour had to go. There's decades of damage to recover from. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 20, 2023 6:07:05 GMT
The big difference here would be separating other energy prices from gas. In the last 12 months only 41% of our energy came from gas. So nothing to do with the EU as you say. But something the government could easily do to slash inflation at a stroke, only raising interest rates is much better for their real customers. Oh come on. Things have changed somewhat don't you think? Besides when did you care if Labour supported a change? So 10 years of QE where the BoE were pumping ridiculous amounts of money into the economy had no impact on inflation? Give your head a wobble.. How come this inflation only arrived after the Ukraine war? |
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