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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2023 20:19:54 GMT
One day you'll debate honestly Buccaneer but let's face it it'll be a cold day in hell first You have the same issues wherever you post with countless different posters. Time to look in the mirror Benjamin. But Buccaneer you have so woefully failed so many times to find one of these lies you suppose I've posted. Even the man in your mirror must be ashamed of having to look at such a repeat failure |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2023 21:10:28 GMT
They have not been in the past - what do you think has changed?. Do you think the calibre of todays politicians is better than we have seen in decades gone past? - what leads you to this conclusion? What I described is in the past. The past is as I described - I know I lived through it. Politicians over decades failed to invest in the water industry - that you think the politicians of today are somehow different to those of the past is i suggest, an act of lunacy. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 21:18:22 GMT
What I described is in the past. The past is as I described - I know I lived through it. Politicians over decades failed to invest in the water industry - that you think the politicians of today are somehow different to those of the past is i suggest, an act of lunacy. I was there two. Are you denying that those politicians privatised the water companies and then increased charges by 20%. Its not reticence that drives the Tories, its greed. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 17, 2023 6:47:24 GMT
Zany How health services pay for private pharma products is a choice. In the French system the state pays for it. When I go to a doctor or pick up a prescription, the state pays for most of it. My private health insurance pays the rest. Our choice of what we pay our insurance includes all transport including, in my husband's case, helicopter rides. We knew he was ill five years ago so we opted for insurance that covers almost everything including a private room in a hospital for about 1000 pounds a year. If we were young and healthy we could opt to pay very little for extra than basic care and accept the charges personally if something expensive happens. This way we can tailor our insurance to what we reasonably expect to need. No nation today can afford to offer such services unless they either pay far more in tax or pay for some of it themselves. I like the way we can tailor what we pay to what we need. In the British system the state pays for it. Then the state charges you a fixed fee whatever drug you have regardless of cost. British national insurance also includes a helicopter ride if you need one. You can pay extra if a private room is important to you. So, I'm confused as to what services you want to be only available to those who pay extra insurance? We dont pay prescription charges other than as part of paying taxes and private insurance. I didnt say i wanted anything to be available to those who pay extra insurance. I merely tried to explain how France supports its health programme and suggest why the UK cannot. The UK has to either pay more in tax or fund their own health needs more often. Anyway as i already said, i entered this thread when it was about scrapping EU laws. Now it has become about other things. I am out. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 17, 2023 7:07:17 GMT
The past is as I described - I know I lived through it. Politicians over decades failed to invest in the water industry - that you think the politicians of today are somehow different to those of the past is i suggest, an act of lunacy. I was there two. Are you denying that those politicians privatised the water companies and then increased charges by 20%. Its not reticence that drives the Tories, its greed. The politicians didn't increase water charges - the water companies did. The politicians were then free to complain knowing that they would not be held accountable. If the politicians were as full of integrity as you believe they would have increased water charges during the decades of public ownership and invested in the system - yet they didn't. And that applies to all governments not just your silly attempt to blame the Tories. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 17, 2023 19:46:25 GMT
In the British system the state pays for it. Then the state charges you a fixed fee whatever drug you have regardless of cost. British national insurance also includes a helicopter ride if you need one. You can pay extra if a private room is important to you. So, I'm confused as to what services you want to be only available to those who pay extra insurance? We dont pay prescription charges other than as part of paying taxes and private insurance. I didnt say i wanted anything to be available to those who pay extra insurance. I merely tried to explain how France supports its health programme and suggest why the UK cannot. The UK has to either pay more in tax or fund their own health needs more often. Anyway as i already said, i entered this thread when it was about scrapping EU laws. Now it has become about other things. I am out. Just two different slightly different systems. But I agree the UK needs the same funding as the French system if its to work properly. Anyway happy travels. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 17, 2023 19:53:40 GMT
I was there two. Are you denying that those politicians privatised the water companies and then increased charges by 20%. Its not reticence that drives the Tories, its greed. The politicians didn't increase water charges - the water companies did. The politicians were then free to complain knowing that they would not be held accountable. If the politicians were as full of integrity as you believe they would have increased water charges during the decades of public ownership and invested in the system - yet they didn't. And that applies to all governments not just your silly attempt to blame the Tories. Politicians control how much the water companies charge, just like the railways, post office, etc. As for integrity, quite the opposite. The point I was making is that they privatise not out of integrity but out of greed. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 17, 2023 21:12:44 GMT
The politicians didn't increase water charges - the water companies did. The politicians were then free to complain knowing that they would not be held accountable. If the politicians were as full of integrity as you believe they would have increased water charges during the decades of public ownership and invested in the system - yet they didn't. And that applies to all governments not just your silly attempt to blame the Tories. , just like the railways, post office, etc. As for integrity, quite the opposite. The point I was making is that they privatise not out of integrity but out of greed. So what do OFWAT do? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 17, 2023 21:20:18 GMT
Politicians control how much the water companies charge, just like the railways, post office, etc. As for integrity, quite the opposite. The point I was making is that they privatise not out of integrity but out of greed. So what do OFWAT do? Regulate the water companies. They're a government body. Unlike energy companies, water companies do not set their own prices. In England and Wales, price limits are set for them for five-year periods by the independent economic regulator, Ofwat.
The Water Services Regulation Authority (Ofwat) is a non-ministerial government department. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 18, 2023 6:48:38 GMT
Regulate the water companies. They're a government body. Unlike energy companies, water companies do not set their own prices. In England and Wales, price limits are set for them for five-year periods by the independent economic regulator, Ofwat.
The Water Services Regulation Authority (Ofwat) is a non-ministerial government department.So they are not independent then? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 18, 2023 19:34:34 GMT
Regulate the water companies. They're a government body. Unlike energy companies, water companies do not set their own prices. In England and Wales, price limits are set for them for five-year periods by the independent economic regulator, Ofwat.
The Water Services Regulation Authority (Ofwat) is a non-ministerial government department.So they are not independent then? As independent as the Office of rail regulation where ministers have absolutely no say in what fares can be charged. None whatsoever, Seriously none, no really. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 18, 2023 21:18:39 GMT
So if none of them are independent and its really the government secretly setting prices what is the point of OFWAT/OFGEM/ORR etc etc?
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Post by zanygame on Apr 18, 2023 21:23:43 GMT
So if none of them are independent and its really the government secretly setting prices what is the point of OFWAT/OFGEM/ORR etc etc? They exist so Tories can give public enterprises to their mates while looking like they're not. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 18, 2023 21:29:38 GMT
So if none of them are independent and its really the government secretly setting prices what is the point of OFWAT/OFGEM/ORR etc etc? They exist so Tories can give public enterprises to their mates while looking like they're not. And yet your Labour Party did fuck all about it when they were in power for 13 years.. ..funny that |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 18, 2023 21:39:59 GMT
They exist so Tories can give public enterprises to their mates while looking like they're not. And yet your Labour Party did fuck all about it when they were in power for 13 years.. ..funny that They were busy fixing other stuff, like the NHS Your Tory party spent the last 13 years trying to undo that. Their biggest project to date, same M.O Trash a public service by starving it of funds, tell the public its failing because its run by the government, give it too their mates, hike the prices back up, let the good times roll. |
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