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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 13:40:24 GMT
OK I looked it up. The health insurance in France is compulsory just like our National insurance. If you cannot afford to pay for it the state assists you with the payments. The same service is available to everyone. You can buy extra cover, faster treatment etc just like the UK. The only visible difference is that the suppliers of care are often private companies. (Which as you say is the same in the UK, only we hide it from the public because they don't want that) My fear of privatising the health service in the UK (In the name of efficiency) is that it follows the others which have been privatised, such as our water companies. Bills rise to cover the "better service" and the service doesn't get any better than it would have done if the public service had got more money, but the shareholders get wealthier. Does any health service develop its own drugs? build its own beds, make its own syringes? Claiming in buying supplies as privatisation is crazy. Agreed The NHS dentistry has almost been killed by this government, there are very few NHS practices left. Not sure that's a good thing. Two level treatment is here, people like me who can afford £400 to have a tooth repaired properly, others who can't get a filling that keeps coming out. They have been around since dot, for the rich. But they all use the NHS services to scan, measure treat their patients. and certainly if your private operation goes wrong its straight to the NHS to pick up the pieces. And private taxis to take you to hospital. Not sure where you think the health service should end. But we've seen it not happen. The water supply was privatised in 1989 to improve it. Companies had to bid to provide the service. Two years later bills increased by 20% to allow the private companies to catch up on all the work the public service had failed in. 30+ years later we are still pouring sewage into our rivers and pretending its better than it was. The obvious question is; could the public water companies have done all the work that was needed if they had been given an extra 20% in their budgets. Public services waste money, but private companies use your money to reward themselves, which is more wasteful? "Boss of UK’s most polluting water firm made £1.4m from shares before retiring"www.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/11/boss-uk-most-polluting-water-firm-united-utilities-shares-steve-mogford-retiring |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2023 14:28:55 GMT
The idea that we produce and make things differently for different markets is science fiction Hmm, so the Nissan, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Mini and Morgan factory's in the UK dont make left hand drive cars for other markets? - are you sure?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2023 14:34:47 GMT
The obvious question is; could the public water companies have done all the work that was needed if they had been given an extra 20% in their budgets. Quite possibly - but the fact is that they were not given what they needed to invest when in public ownership. Any politician faced with competing demands for investment in sewers that will not become apparent until decades after he has left office or a pay rise for Nurses that will get him great headlines in tomorrows papers is not going to choose the sewers. If you were the politician in charge you would make exactly the same decision. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 14:48:47 GMT
The obvious question is; could the public water companies have done all the work that was needed if they had been given an extra 20% in their budgets. Quite possibly - but the fact is that they were not given what they needed to invest when in public ownership. Any politician faced with competing demands for investment in sewers that will not become apparent until decades after he has left office or a pay rise for Nurses that will get him great headlines in tomorrows papers is not going to choose the sewers. If you were the politician in charge you would make exactly the same decision. Yet the politicians managed to increase our water bills to give to private companies. Perhaps they're braver than you think. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2023 15:58:17 GMT
Quite possibly - but the fact is that they were not given what they needed to invest when in public ownership. Any politician faced with competing demands for investment in sewers that will not become apparent until decades after he has left office or a pay rise for Nurses that will get him great headlines in tomorrows papers is not going to choose the sewers. If you were the politician in charge you would make exactly the same decision. Yet the politicians managed to increase our water bills to give to private companies. Perhaps they're braver than you think. They have not been in the past - what do you think has changed?. Do you think the calibre of todays politicians is better than we have seen in decades gone past? - what leads you to this conclusion? |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 16, 2023 15:59:29 GMT
Zany
How health services pay for private pharma products is a choice. In the French system the state pays for it. When I go to a doctor or pick up a prescription, the state pays for most of it. My private health insurance pays the rest.
Our choice of what we pay our insurance includes all transport including, in my husband's case, helicopter rides.
We knew he was ill five years ago so we opted for insurance that covers almost everything including a private room in a hospital for about 1000 pounds a year.
If we were young and healthy we could opt to pay very little for extra than basic care and accept the charges personally if something expensive happens.
This way we can tailor our insurance to what we reasonably expect to need.
No nation today can afford to offer such services unless they either pay far more in tax or pay for some of it themselves.
I like the way we can tailor what we pay to what we need.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 17:24:33 GMT
This ^^ is interesting: First, the "myth" is that Brexit is A (not The) cause of UK's comparative growth. Still, if that really was just a myth, then why wouldn't or couldn't anyone from the Brexit Fundamentalist brigade show evidence to bust that supposed myth? The comparative slow growth and the decline started happening after the UK left the EU, didn't it!? It's not even up for debate. The danger is that there is no replacement, so to speak. Studies conclude that the British economy is 4% smaller but Global Britain has not managed to find one single trading agreement that could boost the economy substantially. You guys can't really go on gas lighting people that leaving the EU has not damaged the economy. Your best argument would be to say that all these economic problems are the price to pay for getting out of the EU. Try it and see if that argument holds water. The point is, the financial crisis of 2008/2009 was caused by credit liberalisation. Or deregulation. Or rules and following rules and regulations. But, ironically, Brexit Britain wants more of that deregulation thing.  Your lack of knowledge on the subject matter prevented me getting passed the bolded sentence. Please read up on this before regurgitating what someone like Femi Oluwole spoon feeds you. Once you're up to speed, perhaps we can go from there... ^  The only thing the man does is flap his gums but he now wants a debate on the indisputable fact that the UK's comparative decline started happening after it left the EU. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 17:47:00 GMT
Yet the politicians managed to increase our water bills to give to private companies. Perhaps they're braver than you think. They have not been in the past - what do you think has changed?. Do you think the calibre of todays politicians is better than we have seen in decades gone past? - what leads you to this conclusion? What I described is in the past. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 16, 2023 17:55:38 GMT
Zany How health services pay for private pharma products is a choice. In the French system the state pays for it. When I go to a doctor or pick up a prescription, the state pays for most of it. My private health insurance pays the rest. Our choice of what we pay our insurance includes all transport including, in my husband's case, helicopter rides. We knew he was ill five years ago so we opted for insurance that covers almost everything including a private room in a hospital for about 1000 pounds a year. If we were young and healthy we could opt to pay very little for extra than basic care and accept the charges personally if something expensive happens. This way we can tailor our insurance to what we reasonably expect to need. No nation today can afford to offer such services unless they either pay far more in tax or pay for some of it themselves. I like the way we can tailor what we pay to what we need. In the British system the state pays for it. Then the state charges you a fixed fee whatever drug you have regardless of cost. British national insurance also includes a helicopter ride if you need one. You can pay extra if a private room is important to you. So, I'm confused as to what services you want to be only available to those who pay extra insurance? |
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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2023 19:50:34 GMT
Err yes I very much have as the graph showed. The OBR agree too, in fact anyone but dyed in the wool Brexiters accepts it has hit the economy by ~4% And you were lying your sorry arse off with that 'wrecked' allegation. Lets see if you're man enough to apologise and retract it. Err, you have no proof. You rely on flawed modelling of the doppelganger effect to make that 4% hit to the economy up. That isn't proof I'm afraid. And do fuck off with your black and white view of the world, you literal idiot. Oh dear Buccaneer is seriously pissed off he was shown to be lying his arse off making that 'wrecked' allegation. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 19:59:29 GMT
Err, you have no proof. You rely on flawed modelling of the doppelganger effect to make that 4% hit to the economy up. That isn't proof I'm afraid. And do fuck off with your black and white view of the world, you literal idiot. Oh dear Buccaneer is seriously pissed off he was shown to be lying his arse off making that 'wrecked' allegation. Steve, your lies lies and arguments are plastered all of the forum in different sections. We've seen time and time again your petty little tantrums. I would say grow up but you're more like The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2023 20:03:27 GMT
Oh dear Buccaneer is seriously pissed off he was shown to be lying his arse off making that 'wrecked' allegation. Steve, your lies lies and arguments are plastered all of the forum in different sections. We've seen time and time again your petty little tantrums. I would say grow up but you're more like The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. And yet you've never been able to show one such supposed lie But you've so shown yourself up to be a spiteful little dishonest shite with this reaction to a fair challenge to your 'wrecked' assertion. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 20:10:02 GMT
Steve, your lies lies and arguments are plastered all of the forum in different sections. We've seen time and time again your petty little tantrums. I would say grow up but you're more like The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. And yet you've never been able to show one such supposed lie But you've so shown yourself up to be a spiteful little dishonest shite with this reaction to a fair challenge to your 'wrecked' assertion. Stevie Me me me with his last word petulance and the wrecking of threads MO. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2023 20:12:35 GMT
One day you'll debate honestly Buccaneer but let's face it it'll be a cold day in hell first
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 20:17:52 GMT
One day you'll debate honestly Buccaneer but let's face it it'll be a cold day in hell first You have the same issues wherever you post with countless different posters. Time to look in the mirror Benjamin. |
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The only thing the man does is flap his gums but he now wants a debate on the indisputable fact that the UK's comparative decline started happening after it left the EU.
