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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 2, 2023 21:59:39 GMT
This video comes with a strong warning. I don't know how much of it you can take. I managed 28 minutes, but for those 28 minutes it dawned on me I was like inside the head of a madman.
In case you don't know, this man is the founder of Extinction Rebellion along with some middle aged woman who studied physics at Manchester of all places. I know the place well as Manchester University is a Marxist Mecca. A brief bio includes him setting up an organic farm and finding the crap weather destroyed the crops in successive seasons. I recall that bad weather as it washed out many summer festivals and bankrupted a few people, but this man took the problem one step further. It is interesting to note he went on to do a PhD in some sociology-type subject at Kings College London. By remarkable coincidence the interviewer also went to the same place at the same time and knew him then too, so we get the odd comment on what he was like. This what he is like and the fact he was tutored at one of our leading academic institution and the co-founder at another has worried me greatly. Anyway, have a listen and watch your jaw drop. It really is an education is psychiatry.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 3, 2023 11:33:52 GMT
Did anyone actually bother to watch this interview? It's the core philosophy of the environmental movement.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 15:15:29 GMT
Did anyone actually bother to watch this interview? It's the core philosophy of the environmental movement. The video is an hour and 15 minutes long. Thats a big ask for a bunch of forum denizens who only come here for recreation essentially. And especially for those of us whose time is limited and therefore precious. Were I to watch that entire video, no one is going to give me those 75 minutes back. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 3, 2023 15:22:16 GMT
Did anyone actually bother to watch this interview? It's the core philosophy of the environmental movement. The video is an hour and 15 minutes long. Thats a big ask for a bunch of forum denizens who only come here for recreation essentially. And especially for those of us whose time is limited and therefore precious. Were I to watch that entire video, no one is going to give me those 75 minutes back. At my age I may never get to finish it, which may have been Baron's aim.  |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 3, 2023 17:41:26 GMT
In the not too distant future there is likely to be a cascade of "tipping points" that has the potential to "End civilisation as we know it". What is needed is for everybody who has any influence on how the world is run to understand this and put their heads together to try to find a way to cope. Their conclusion, however, may well be that there is no hope for a significant proportion of the world's population to survive the chaos. Once mankind has adapted to the planetary changes the survivors may well be a small fraction of the present world population.
My thoughts are: "So be it" ... these survivors may then be able to enjoy a more civilised existence than the bulk of the population currently do.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 3, 2023 17:49:19 GMT
Once mankind has adapted to the planetary changes the survivors may well be a small fraction of the present world population.
I don't think they have worked out yet, they are the prey.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 18:06:37 GMT
In the not too distant future there is likely to be a cascade of "tipping points" that has the potential to "End civilisation as we know it". What is needed is for everybody who has any influence on how the world is run to understand this and put their heads together to try to find a way to cope. Their conclusion, however, may well be that there is no hope for a significant proportion of the world's population to survive the chaos. Once mankind has adapted to the planetary changes the survivors may well be a small fraction of the present world population. My thoughts are: "So be it" ... these survivors may then be able to enjoy a more civilised existence than the bulk of the population currently do. If that happens, and it may well come to that the way we are going, then there is going to be a massive premium on usefulness to justify one's continued existence when there is mass famine due to not enough food. Brutal decisions will be forced upon humanity, with unproductive eaters considered unaffordably surplus to requirements. It will literally be a case of work or starve. The elderly, the infirm, the disabled will effectively be left to die, as will many working age people if the jobs they do or the skills they have are insufficiently necessary to justify scarce resources. Such conditions will of course be socially and politically devastating in their impacts, with unprecedented global migrations, mass insurrections and revolutions of every kind, armies gunning down their own peoples to preserve order, the total collapse of democracy and the imposition everywhere of totalitarian regimes of one kind or another. There will be mass religious hysteria with many seeing what is happening as the work of a vengeful God or of the end of days predicted in Revelations. Fear and desperation will drive massive surges in hate and irrationality. This is what could await if global agriculture collapses in response to climate change. And such a tipping point surely exists somewhere. We cannot know for certain how close we are to that point, but if we carry on as now we will cross it at some point. I hope this doesn't happen. I certainly hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime. But we cannot be sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 18:09:02 GMT
In the not too distant future there is likely to be a cascade of "tipping points" that has the potential to "End civilisation as we know it". What is needed is for everybody who has any influence on how the world is run to understand this and put their heads together to try to find a way to cope. Their conclusion, however, may well be that there is no hope for a significant proportion of the world's population to survive the chaos. Once mankind has adapted to the planetary changes the survivors may well be a small fraction of the present world population. My thoughts are: "So be it" ... these survivors may then be able to enjoy a more civilised existence than the bulk of the population currently do. If that happens, and it may well come to that the way we are going, then there is going to be a massive premium on usefulness to justify one's continued existence when there is mass famine due to not enough food. Brutal decisions will be forced upon humanity, with unproductive eaters considered unaffordably surplus to requirements. It will literally be a case of work or starve. The elderly, the infirm, the disabled will effectively be left to die, as will many working age people if the jobs they do or the skills they have are insufficiently necessary to justify scarce resources. Such conditions will of course be socially and politically devastating in their impacts, with unprecedented global migrations, mass insurrections and revolutions of every kind, armies gunning down their own peoples to preserve order, the total collapse of democracy and the imposition everywhere of totalitarian regimes of one kind or another. There will be mass religious hysteria with many seeing what is happening as the work of a vengeful God or of the end of days predicted in Revelations. Fear and desperation will drive massive surges in hate and irrationality. There will be wars between nation states over their food resources. This is what could await if global agriculture collapses in response to climate change. And such a tipping point surely exists somewhere. We cannot know for certain how close we are to that point, but if we carry on as now we will cross it at some point. I hope this doesn't happen. I certainly hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime. But we cannot be sure. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 3, 2023 19:20:08 GMT
Did anyone actually bother to watch this interview? It's the core philosophy of the environmental movement. that the man is an absolute prick can be determined in five seconds from perusal of this front page … www.independent.co.uk/tv/climate/i-would-block-ambulance-with-dying-patient-onboard-says-xr-founder-roger-hallam-b2185727.htmlThere really is nothing more to say Oh hang on.. He registered a political party Burning Pink Its aim is to overthrow parliament (a dodgy business that, and a criminal act if attempted, the law is quite clear) But they put up a candidate for London Mayor Now all joking aside, i’m all in favour. If you want power, go for it. Unlike that twat Russell Brand who went on newsnight to say he couldn’t think of a party to vote for, but wouldn't stand himself, they did. Twenty candidates put their names in the ring for the major’s job Burning Pink’s candidate came 20th. So yeah. Watch an hour and a half of video if you wish, but i have tbe measure of the man in minutes. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 3, 2023 20:42:34 GMT
Did anyone actually bother to watch this interview? It's the core philosophy of the environmental movement. that the man is an absolute prick can be determined in five seconds from perusal of this front page … www.independent.co.uk/tv/climate/i-would-block-ambulance-with-dying-patient-onboard-says-xr-founder-roger-hallam-b2185727.htmlThere really is nothing more to say Oh hang on.. He registered a political party Burning Pink Its aim is to overthrow parliament (a dodgy business that, and a criminal act if attempted, the law is quite clear) But they put up a candidate for London Mayor Now all joking aside, i’m all in favour. If you want power, go for it. Unlike that twat Russell Brand who went on newsnight to say he couldn’t think of a party to vote for, but wouldn't stand himself, they did. Twenty candidates put their names in the ring for the major’s job Burning Pink’s candidate came 20th. So yeah. Watch an hour and a half of video if you wish, but i have tbe measure of the man in minutes. You may not realise exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes. If you think you have him sussed in minutes, you have not. It gets crazier the further into it he gets. I've seen a lot of crazy people in my time, but this is like a specimen of scientific interest. I've read about a few in our history, but seeing one in the flesh is an experience. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 4, 2023 6:50:16 GMT
that the man is an absolute prick can be determined in five seconds from perusal of this front page … www.independent.co.uk/tv/climate/i-would-block-ambulance-with-dying-patient-onboard-says-xr-founder-roger-hallam-b2185727.htmlThere really is nothing more to say Oh hang on.. He registered a political party Burning Pink Its aim is to overthrow parliament (a dodgy business that, and a criminal act if attempted, the law is quite clear) But they put up a candidate for London Mayor Now all joking aside, i’m all in favour. If you want power, go for it. Unlike that twat Russell Brand who went on newsnight to say he couldn’t think of a party to vote for, but wouldn't stand himself, they did. Twenty candidates put their names in the ring for the major’s job Burning Pink’s candidate came 20th. So yeah. Watch an hour and a half of video if you wish, but i have tbe measure of the man in minutes. You may not realise exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes. If you think you have him sussed in minutes, you have not. It gets crazier the further into it he gets. I've seen a lot of crazy people in my time, but this is like a specimen of scientific interest. I've read about a few in our history, but seeing one in the flesh is an experience. I understand, but i think i do …. I am the guy who brought the evidence to the attention of a then shadow junior minister that enabled him to ridicule two aspects of Blair’s policies and prove to a select committee he misled the house on one of them. Alas not the policy everyone else tried to get him for misleading the house on. My time doing that led me to understand exactly how deep the rabbit hole gors and how heavily undermined our institutions are. And on the subject of seeing the problem in the flesh, yeah, done that too. St Stephen’s ?? entrance to Westminster can be a scary place … |
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2023 8:15:30 GMT
The only reason agriculture is likely to colipase in the near future is if governments prevent the activity. There are signs this is exactly what some governments intend
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2023 8:46:37 GMT
Notice the multiple sense of humour failures and inability to negotiate even a friendly discussion? Imagine being stuck in a conversation with the guy. The real motivations behind this sort of thing are far more prosaic than most realise. In his world he is a hero and he gets to live out that fantasy in 3d
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 4, 2023 9:04:28 GMT
The only reason agriculture is likely to colipase in the near future is if governments prevent the activity. There are signs this is exactly what some governments intend I think several (mainly left leaning) governments have sought to influence agricultural direction in the past, usually with disastrous consequences. So i don’t think government PREVENTION is the sole problem, although yeah, if you mean rewilding programmes, setaside and curtailing bovine farming in favour of kangeroo and ostrich … |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2023 12:31:02 GMT
Notice the multiple sense of humour failures and inability to negotiate even a friendly discussion? Imagine being stuck in a conversation with the guy. The real motivations behind this sort of thing are far more prosaic than most realise. In his world he is a hero and he gets to live out that fantasy in 3d This is the fault of Kings College London. He did a PhD in how to create anarchy. They led him down the rabbit hole. I could not take any more of the madness when he starts saying one should not look at the evidence. This is a 180 degree reversal of the path we went down during the Age of the Enlightenment. He would be dead if the Age of Enlightenment didn't happen. The life expectancy was very short.
Indeed you know what this reminds me of: that time when Marx came over to Britain and got in with a load of anarchists. As you say, there are people behind these fools. We don't get their names though. It's their policies and his prison sentence.
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