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Post by sandypine on Mar 31, 2023 9:24:14 GMT
So you would impose blanket censorship over him for such a statement? … Hmmm 🤔🙄 Wow … thank god you don’t run the police state we live in … …… …… …… Er…. You don’t run it do you??🤔The Westminster Wing?🥴 Nope. No censorship from me. He can say what he likes as long as it is within the law. I'm merely suggesting why many may not want to listen to him, which was the purpose of the thread. It is the duty of MPs to listen and engage in questions to the house on issues that not only affect them but are intrinsic to the health of their constituents. The questions can be refuted, the stats denied, the MP derided but they still have to address the questions. It is what that house is for. A quick riposte of 'safe and effective' or 'millions of lives have been saved' are not answers. What they need to do is address the questions being asked as regards the official stats from which there is little escape except continuous dodging. Bridgen may be wrong but he realistically has to be shown to be wrong in all he says. This refusal to address those issues, the deliberate ignoring of the questions raised and the continued denigration of all who ask those questions does politics no favours and should, at the very least, warn the electorate that something was, and is, afoot. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 31, 2023 12:51:36 GMT
The problem for the government is they troped "vaccine role out" as a Brexit benefit, so they won't want to say anything negative unless there's conclusive evidence that there is something untowards.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 31, 2023 14:26:34 GMT
The problem for the government is they troped "vaccine role out" as a Brexit benefit, so they won't want to say anything negative unless there's conclusive evidence that there is something untowards. I do not care what the government did in that respect. It does not remove the basic point that Tory back benchers should at least listen to the statement and questions. The fact Labour, SNP and others front and back benches also disappeared in a puff of smoke says much about them as well. This is not how a democracy is supposed to function and certainly not how ours used to. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 31, 2023 14:33:27 GMT
But do you not understand why they don't? Do you look at my avatar before you read my posts and think "bloody remainer, I don't have to listen to him. Hope he goes away"? Or do you hang about and read my posts in case I convince you that rejoining the EU would actually be the right thing?
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Post by sandypine on Mar 31, 2023 14:40:47 GMT
But do you not understand why they don't? Do you look at my avatar before you read my posts and think "bloody remainer, I don't have to listen to him. Hope he goes away"? Or do you hang about and read my posts in case I convince you that rejoining the EU would actually be the right thing? You and I represent only our selves, in a previous life I was a Union Rep and my duty was to listen to everyone and report back I could not ignore the man who waffled and raised unimportant issues.The point about representation is that one is neither a delegate nor an independent voice and must consider all sides of any issue as those may be the views of any one of your constituents of whom one is the only voice and ears they have. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 31, 2023 14:43:47 GMT
To be honest, if there is some "gotcha" data, then giving it to an MP who isn't respected and has a history of misunderstanding things is not the best way to make it public. It would detract from the message. I get what you are saying, but it's not going to help his cause.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 31, 2023 16:56:15 GMT
Commons Leader tells MP to ‘check his behaviour’ over conspiracy claims
Commons Leader Penny Mordaunt has scolded independent MP Andrew Bridgen for sharing “conspiracy theories” in the House of Commons.
North West Leicestershire MP Mr Bridgen raised concerns about the World Health Organisation (WHO), claiming it was “an unelected, unaccountable, discredited supra-national body which is hugely funded by the same people who fund big pharma”.
Ms Mordaunt listed a series of claims recently made and shared by Mr Bridgen on social media and in the Commons, telling him to “check his behaviour”.
The exchange at Business Questions follows a similar rebuke from Ms Mordaunt last week, in which she said she pitied Mr Bridgen if he believed the claims he was making.
Mr Bridgen told the Commons he was concerned about “proposed changes to the WHO international health regulations which will not require a vote” from Parliament to be approved.
He asked: “Can we urgently have a Government statement on these proposed changes which could look set to hand over huge powers to an unelected, unaccountable, discredited supra-national body which is hugely funded by the same people who fund big pharma?” Did anyone spot if Commons Leader Penny Mordant was in the House when Bridgen made both his speeches indicating his sources being Gov. stats and peer reviewed papers etc.?? How can she go on what is written on Twitter? … surely she will get a better assessment of his report being in the Commons and asking him personally for his data references … show some respect. She sounds like many lazy Forum members … sitting on Twitter and bleating “conspiracy theory” like a bunch of parrots on Prozac… when the sources are FACTUAL. 🙄 … this is questionable behaviour for a Leader of the Commons. …Mordant needs to apologise and check Bridgen’s sources. Nope. No censorship from me. He can say what he likes as long as it is within the law. I'm merely suggesting why many may not want to listen to him, which was the purpose of the thread. It is the duty of MPs to listen and engage in questions to the house on issues that not only affect them but are intrinsic to the health of their constituents. The questions can be refuted, the stats denied, the MP derided but they still have to address the questions. It is what that house is for. A quick riposte of 'safe and effective' or 'millions of lives have been saved' are not answers. What they need to do is address the questions being asked as regards the official stats from which there is little escape except continuous dodging. Bridgen may be wrong but he realistically has to be shown to be wrong in all he says. This refusal to address those issues, the deliberate ignoring of the questions raised and the continued denigration of all who ask those questions does politics no favours and should, at the very least, warn the electorate that something was, and is, afoot. On the nail, Sandy … Tax-payers deserve better … especially after the MP’s pay-rise. If there is no substance to a “conspiracy theory” then any MP worth their salt will blow it out of the water with a few short analytical data drops. I’m still waiting for some serious kickback on some of the stuff I write … 🙄 😴😴 …… 😂😂 |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 31, 2023 16:58:56 GMT
To be honest, if there is some "gotcha" data, then giving it to an MP who isn't respected and has a history of misunderstanding things is not the best way to make it public. It would detract from the message. I get what you are saying, but it's not going to help his cause. There are those who do things for their own personal gain and there are those who are much rarer who do things because they can and have a much bigger over all picture. But they will always come up against those who always have a self first angle. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 31, 2023 18:41:57 GMT
To be honest, if there is some "gotcha" data, then giving it to an MP who isn't respected and has a history of misunderstanding things is not the best way to make it public. It would detract from the message. I get what you are saying, but it's not going to help his cause. The problem is that the gotcha data is out there in terms of official government figures and stats, these have been crunched by some pretty knowledgeable people like Jamie Jenkins and others. It seems Andrew Bridgen is the only one who will listen to people querying why policy and official discourse is at odds with the official statistics. His Majesty's Loyal opposition appear to be loyal to the official stance, irrespective of how shaky that now appears. David Lammy misunderstood the Black smoke and white smoke when selecting the Pope and thought it was some racist insult. Sometimes MPs are very stupid as realistically they are only human and we should have a bit of tolerance. This campaign against Bridgen goes well beyond any intolerance of errors it is a campaign against this specific issue. I therefore repeat that we are now getting the picture that something was, and is, afoot. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 2, 2023 23:19:09 GMT
[It seems Andrew Bridgen is the only one who will listen to people querying why policy and official discourse is at odds with the official statistics. His Majesty's Loyal opposition appear to be loyal to the official stance, irrespective of how shaky that now appears. This campaign against Bridgen goes well beyond any intolerance of errors it is a campaign against this specific issue. I therefore repeat that we are now getting the picture that something was, and is, afoot. It appears from the lack of attendance in the Commons for Sir Christopher Chope’s speech on vaccine damage …. as detailed here … that it is the issue that is being ignored by the Government … and not just prejudice against the comments and speeches of Andrew Bridgen MP. Note from Sir CC’s speech the details that 300,000 people in Germany are recorded as having suffered severe adverse symptoms from Covid vaccination … and their Ministers are putting in place measures to roll out some form of compensation to the victims, some severely disabled for life by the jab. Meanwhile in the UK 99.9999% of it’s MP’s and the Minister for Health disgusts the Nation by ignoring the appeals and plight of the victims of a catastrophic vaccination programme that has arguably delivered little immunity to many and possibly never stopped one case of transmission. UK stats mirror the German experience. … So we can discount vaccine damage being a Conspiracy Theory.🙄 Hands up how many people you know working in the health service and other professions … who had multiple covid jabs … and yet still caught Covid multiple times? I personally know 3 people who found themselves in that position. … Did the jab save them from death? … or did their more rapidly evolving NATURAL immune system kick in to combat the new variants being generated all the time? No one knows! … It’s puzzling that some Governments are expecting the tax-payer to foot compensation payments when it is Big Pharma that is responsible here, has made a bloody fortune and should be forced to payout for any damage they caused. Governments had no right to pass legislation making tax-payers carry liability here.These trade description crooks … snake-oil salesmen …. need to be in the dock for what they have perpetrated here … as 4,000 UK claimants today queue for recompense … and 250 per month join their ranks … suffering post-vaccination long term damage. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 3, 2023 6:20:01 GMT
I listened to Andrew Bridgen and now to Chope, yet nowhere have I seen any detailed mention of the health problems caused by vaccines; what are ther symptoms and end results of COVID vaccine damage?
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Post by bancroft on Apr 3, 2023 13:39:52 GMT
Vaccines normally hit the weakest part of the person's health system so difficult to know.
Another aspect is what did they do shortly after the vaccine like a footballer, running then heart attack.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2023 20:08:48 GMT
I listened to Andrew Bridgen and now to Chope, yet nowhere have I seen any detailed mention of the health problems caused by vaccines; what are ther symptoms and end results of COVID vaccine damage? Having a quick search related to your query … this popped up: www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/reporting-suspected-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-product-defects-and-counterfeit-products/…. Within this page is a section that mentions the following: “ Information on risk of blood clots, myocarditis and pericarditis, and Guillain-Barré Syndrome associated with COVID-19 vaccines has been issued by:
UKHSA – COVID-19 vaccination and rare side effects, including
Information for healthcare professionals on blood clotting following COVID-19 vaccination,
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination: clinical management guidance for healthcare professionals,
Information for healthcare professionals on Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) following COVID-19 vaccination
The MHRA (press release, 7th April 2021) – MHRA issues new advice, concluding a possible link between COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and extremely rare, unlikely to occur blood clots
Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) – JCVI statement on use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine: 7 April 2021” A friend of mine had an incident of Bell’s Palsy that materialised 2 months after the 2nd jab … he didn’t report it … guessing many people did the same … shrugged it off as down to something else. If he had reported it … he could have been in line for compensation … if and when the UK Government Health Minister stops calling this Conspiracy Theory and gets it’s ass in gear to getting money back from Big Pharma for damage done. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 3, 2023 20:12:23 GMT
I listened to Andrew Bridgen and now to Chope, yet nowhere have I seen any detailed mention of the health problems caused by vaccines; what are ther symptoms and end results of COVID vaccine damage? Having a quick search related to your query … this popped up: www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/reporting-suspected-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-product-defects-and-counterfeit-products/…. Within this page is a section that mentions the following: “ Information on risk of blood clots, myocarditis and pericarditis, and Guillain-Barré Syndrome associated with COVID-19 vaccines has been issued by:
UKHSA – COVID-19 vaccination and rare side effects, including
Information for healthcare professionals on blood clotting following COVID-19 vaccination,
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination: clinical management guidance for healthcare professionals,
Information for healthcare professionals on Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) following COVID-19 vaccination
The MHRA (press release, 7th April 2021) – MHRA issues new advice, concluding a possible link between COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and extremely rare, unlikely to occur blood clots
Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) – JCVI statement on use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine: 7 April 2021” A friend of mine had an incident of Bell’s Palsy that materialised 2 months after the 2nd jab … he didn’t report it … guessing many people did the same … shrugged it off as down to something else. If he had reported it … he could have been in line for compensation … if and when the UK Government Health Minister stops calling this Conspiracy Theory and gets it’s ass in gear to getting money back from Big Pharma for damage done. Thanks, I'll read an digest later. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2023 20:27:58 GMT
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