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Post by patman post on Mar 28, 2023 15:32:58 GMT
There were 6,192 police officers licensed to carry firearms in England and Wales as of 2022. Firearms officers are in several units, not just one branch.
Where firearms support is needed, it is carried out by specially trained and accredited firearms officers known as authorised firearms officers (AFOs).
In the Met, firearms support is primarily provided by MO19 Specialist Firearms Command. There are also firearms officers in a number of other units, such as Aviation Policing, Royalty and Specialist Protection Command, and the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command.
There are multiple levels of armed officers. Officers undergo rigorous selection and training to become a firearms officer. Their initial, and continued training, is dependent on the role they’re operationally required to perform. All training is governed by the College of Policing’s ‘National Police Firearms Training Curriculum’ (NPFTC). The curriculum, in tandem with the Met’s chief firearms instructor, ensures that the relevant training modules are completed by all officers within their specific role profile.
All this is stated by the Met:
Knowledge that there are different roles that Authorised Firearms Police Officers are attached to, even some Officers who do not wear uniforms carry Firearms , but the one thing they all have in common is they are all Authorised Firearms trained Police Officers. different horses for different courses that is all Don’t understand your point. Police drivers also have one thing in common — ie, they are all licensed and competent to a minimum standard. But different drivers for different vehicles and in different roles are trained to additional standards and, possibly, to different requirements by different forces. Put simply, training to one standard doesn’t fit the drivers for all tasks. Similarly, firearms officers in different roles are not necessarily trained for each other’s roles… |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 28, 2023 17:36:44 GMT
Knowledge that there are different roles that Authorised Firearms Police Officers are attached to, even some Officers who do not wear uniforms carry Firearms , but the one thing they all have in common is they are all Authorised Firearms trained Police Officers. different horses for different courses that is all Don’t understand your point. Police drivers also have one thing in common — ie, they are all licensed and competent to a minimum standard. But different drivers for different vehicles and in different roles are trained to additional standards and, possibly, to different requirements by different forces. Put simply, training to one standard doesn’t fit the drivers for all tasks. Similarly, firearms officers in different roles are not necessarily trained for each other’s roles… It is very obvious that you don't understand, pointless me saying anything other than they are all taught how to use firearms |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 28, 2023 17:42:33 GMT
Don’t understand your point. Police drivers also have one thing in common — ie, they are all licensed and competent to a minimum standard. But different drivers for different vehicles and in different roles are trained to additional standards and, possibly, to different requirements by different forces. Put simply, training to one standard doesn’t fit the drivers for all tasks. Similarly, firearms officers in different roles are not necessarily trained for each other’s roles… It is very obvious that you don't understand, pointless me saying anything other than they are all taught how to use firearms Forty years ago I knew a guy that used to teach them how to shoot. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 29, 2023 8:38:40 GMT
It is very obvious that you don't understand, pointless me saying anything other than they are all taught how to use firearms Forty years ago I knew a guy that used to teach them how to shoot. That could be the problem — they’re taught how to shoot, but not necessarily how to handle firearms responsibly in the various situations in civilian scenarios and evaluated as to their fitness to be let loose with guns among the public… |
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Post by Orac on Mar 29, 2023 8:52:56 GMT
What problem? As has been noted, you are citing one mistake made 17 years ago during a terrorist scare
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Post by Toreador on Mar 29, 2023 9:53:40 GMT
Forty years ago I knew a guy that used to teach them how to shoot. That could be the problem — they’re taught how to shoot, but not necessarily how to handle firearms responsibly in the various situations in civilian scenarios and evaluated as to their fitness to be let loose with guns among the public… The guy I referred to in my previous post also taught about handling guns and even went on real life incidents. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 29, 2023 10:01:47 GMT
Forty years ago I knew a guy that used to teach them how to shoot. That could be the problem — they’re taught how to shoot, but not necessarily how to handle firearms responsibly in the various situations in civilian scenarios and evaluated as to their fitness to be let loose with guns among the public… Glad you do not have a firearm you would keep repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot through lack of knowledge, your rather weird imagination totally ill informed. the biggest danger to you and members of the public and criminals, is the huge numbers of gang members and assorted villains on our streets, in possession of large knives , machetes, and illegally held firearms, murdering or injuring others day in day out, not the Police. Youngsters killing each other some as young as 15 years of age , to control the lucrative drugs trade for money lots of it, |
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Post by patman post on Mar 29, 2023 10:06:54 GMT
That could be the problem — they’re taught how to shoot, but not necessarily how to handle firearms responsibly in the various situations in civilian scenarios and evaluated as to their fitness to be let loose with guns among the public… The guy I referred to in my previous post also taught about handling guns and even went on real life incidents. You did say this was 40 years ago.
I'm being criticised for referring to a Police killing of an innocent member of the public 17 years ago...
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Post by patman post on Mar 29, 2023 10:49:53 GMT
That could be the problem — they’re taught how to shoot, but not necessarily how to handle firearms responsibly in the various situations in civilian scenarios and evaluated as to their fitness to be let loose with guns among the public… Glad you do not have a firearm you would keep repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot through lack of knowledge, your rather weird imagination totally ill informed. the biggest danger to you and members of the public and criminals, is the huge numbers of gang members and assorted villains on our streets, in possession of large knives , machetes, and illegally held firearms, murdering or injuring others day in day out, not the Police. Youngsters killing each other some as young as 15 years of age , to control the lucrative drugs trade for money lots of it, Since you now want to widen the conversation to other topics:
(a) I don't have a gun at home, though I do target, sport and rough shooting,
(b) I am aware people other than police kill members of the public,
(c) I know "large knives, machetes, and illegally held firearms" are around, but
(d) I don't think that armed police should add to any dangers the public may face,
(e) I also hear about gangs, killing and the drugs trade.
Now, to return to my main point — I do not dispute that all authorised firearms officers are trained but, like other critics, I do not believe they are all trained to sufficiently high standards for their assigned roles — though I would exclude MOD Police from that criticism...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 29, 2023 12:04:08 GMT
Glad you do not have a firearm you would keep repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot through lack of knowledge, your rather weird imagination totally ill informed. the biggest danger to you and members of the public and criminals, is the huge numbers of gang members and assorted villains on our streets, in possession of large knives , machetes, and illegally held firearms, murdering or injuring others day in day out, not the Police. Youngsters killing each other some as young as 15 years of age , to control the lucrative drugs trade for money lots of it, Since you now want to widen the conversation to other topics:
(a) I don't have a gun at home, though I do target, sport and rough shooting,
(b) I am aware people other than police kill members of the public,
(c) I know "large knives, machetes, and illegally held firearms" are around, but
(d) I don't think that armed police should add to any dangers the public may face,
(e) I also hear about gangs, killing and the drugs trade.
Now, to return to my main point — I do not dispute that all authorised firearms officers are trained but, like other critics, I do not believe they are all trained to sufficiently high standards for their assigned roles — though I would exclude MOD Police from that criticism...
And, as ever, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 29, 2023 12:22:45 GMT
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Post by patman post on Mar 29, 2023 12:35:02 GMT
Nope pure waffle. lots of places for rough shooting in Hackney bet he uses a sawn off, one needs a lot of training to use them   Perhaps you've not noticed there's farmland in Kent and Hertfordshire, and that there are also registered gun clubs within easy reach of London.
Bisley is easily visited too... |
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Post by patman post on Mar 29, 2023 12:39:07 GMT
Since you now want to widen the conversation to other topics:
(a) I don't have a gun at home, though I do target, sport and rough shooting,
(b) I am aware people other than police kill members of the public,
(c) I know "large knives, machetes, and illegally held firearms" are around, but
(d) I don't think that armed police should add to any dangers the public may face,
(e) I also hear about gangs, killing and the drugs trade.
Now, to return to my main point — I do not dispute that all authorised firearms officers are trained but, like other critics, I do not believe they are all trained to sufficiently high standards for their assigned roles — though I would exclude MOD Police from that criticism...
And, as ever, you have no idea what you're talking about.
An indication of what you consider wrong instead of fatuous comments, might not be so much fun for you, but we might learn something about your opinions... |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 29, 2023 12:45:26 GMT
Nope pure waffle. lots of places for rough shooting in Hackney bet he uses a sawn off, one needs a lot of training to use them Perhaps you've not noticed there's farmland in Kent and Hertfordshire, and that there are also registered gun clubs within easy reach of London.
Bisley is easily visited too... I know I live in Hertfordshire , been shooting since I was about 14 years of age, have legally held firearms , also shot at Bisley a number of times and elsewhere and still go rough shooting and clays occasionally, if you do shoot why are you so badly informed ? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 29, 2023 12:53:02 GMT
And, as ever, you have no idea what you're talking about.
An indication of what you consider wrong instead of fatuous comments, might not be so much fun for you, but we might learn something about your opinions... Well, let's revisit shall we?
That could be the problem — they’re taught how to shoot, but not necessarily how to handle firearms responsibly in the various situations in civilian scenarios and evaluated as to their fitness to be let loose with guns among the public… And if you had any idea of what you're talking about, you'd know that situational awareness makes up the bulk of police firearms training. There were 18,259 firearms incidents in the year ending 31 March 2022 and just 4 incidents in which police firearms were discharged.
So they get it right at least 99.98% of the time, which is why you have to go back 17 years to find an example of where they didn't.
And speaking of fatuous opinions, perhaps you should make yours known to your FEO the next time you renew your firearms certificate and let us know how you get on.  |
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