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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 26, 2023 16:06:30 GMT
Promote your political positions - ie ' wokeness' / demographic targets/ painting political symbols on police cars etc. See my analogy TBH the amount of money spent on putting rainbows on police cars is negligible as they have vinyl livery anyway. As for inclusion. I think it is critical the police who have extensive powers are seen as inclusive. They depend heavily upon public trust, unless you want to mimic Russia or North Korea. Ok but what about the time when London’s cop cars openly carried oro labour slogans. And while painting police cars pink and having deputy chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging, do you really think it gives the majority a positive feeling, or does it give us tbe idea coppers cam be bent in several ways ? The fact is, when my house in on fire i don't give a shit what colour (they’re all gonna be black from the fucking soot anyway soon enough) sex or orientation the person holding the bloody ladder is i just need them to be butch enough to hold the ladder still while i get on it through my Velux windows and brace enough to get their arse up here and give me a hand. Any inclination to hug them is purely coincidental. By the same reasoning, if the plod were any fucking good at thieftaking i wouldn’t give a shit if they ponced around the beat in pink tutus and high heels. But the fact is that they are significantly worse at that than they were when I was younger. When a cambridge rapist wannabe, ski mask and all, was seen trying to break into the houses in our terrace a copper ran over the road from the police house on the estate and within 30 minutes was looking at the chances of lifting his prints from the back door of all the houses he’d been trying to get in. Back when we last had a burglary - in 2016 - all i got was a letter inviting me to a victim support meeting where i could be indoctrinated into believing the police really did give a shit. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 26, 2023 16:08:43 GMT
In reality i don’t know what the state can do to fix this. The left whinge that too many young fit men are stopped and searched but few grannies go housebreaking... Is the middle and both ends of it. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 16:14:18 GMT
I fully understand that people don't like change thrust upon them and that time is needed to get used to it. You regularly trivialise it - then you use the very same thing to rationalise fundamental institutional change - ie the police de-emphasising dealing with crime while advertising and promoting political positions. I say the Met police are racist. That's a meaningless / vague political statement. However, the role of the police acting against crime isn't at all meaningless and vague. it's a proper, impartial basis for action and funding. immigration want the Met police to be racist? Yet another attempt to slew. We were talking about the police promoting political positions and de-emphasising their anti crime role. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 26, 2023 16:45:02 GMT
TBH the amount of money spent on putting rainbows on police cars is negligible as they have vinyl livery anyway. As for inclusion. I think it is critical the police who have extensive powers are seen as inclusive. They depend heavily upon public trust, unless you want to mimic Russia or North Korea. Ok but what about the time when London’s cop cars openly carried oro labour slogans. And while painting police cars pink and having deputy chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging, do you really think it gives the majority a positive feeling, or does it give us tbe idea coppers cam be bent in several ways The fact is, when my house in on fire i don't give a shit what colour (they’re all gonna be black from the fucking soot anyway soon enough) sex or orientation the person holding the bloody ladder is i just need them to be butch enough to hold the ladder still while i get on it through my Velux windows and brace enough to get their arse up here and give me a hand. Any inclination to hug them is purely coincidental. By the same reasoning, if the plod were any fucking good at thieftaking i wouldn’t give a shit if they ponced around the beat in pink tutus and high heels. But the fact is that they are significantly worse at that than they were when I was younger. When a cambridge rapist wannabe, ski mask and all, was seen trying to break into the houses in our terrace a copper ran over the road from the police house on the estate and within 30 minutes was looking at the chances of lifting his prints from the back door of all the houses he’d been trying to get in. Back when we last had a burglary - in 2016 - all i got was a letter inviting me to a victim support meeting where i could be indoctrinated into believing the police really did give a shit. You are literally the reason they need to do this stuff. Wave to us from 1960. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 16:49:45 GMT
And while painting police cars pink and having deputy chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging, do you really think it gives the majority a positive feeling, or does it give us tbe idea coppers cam be bent in several ways I think this is a very good point, well made. In fact, the whole post was superb. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 17:08:44 GMT
Ok but what about the time when London’s cop cars openly carried oro labour slogans. And while painting police cars pink and having deputy chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging, do you really think it gives the majority a positive feeling, or does it give us tbe idea coppers cam be bent in several ways The fact is, when my house in on fire i don't give a shit what colour (they’re all gonna be black from the fucking soot anyway soon enough) sex or orientation the person holding the bloody ladder is i just need them to be butch enough to hold the ladder still while i get on it through my Velux windows and brace enough to get their arse up here and give me a hand. Any inclination to hug them is purely coincidental. By the same reasoning, if the plod were any fucking good at thieftaking i wouldn’t give a shit if they ponced around the beat in pink tutus and high heels. But the fact is that they are significantly worse at that than they were when I was younger. When a cambridge rapist wannabe, ski mask and all, was seen trying to break into the houses in our terrace a copper ran over the road from the police house on the estate and within 30 minutes was looking at the chances of lifting his prints from the back door of all the houses he’d been trying to get in.
Back when we last had a burglary - in 2016 - all i got was a letter inviting me to a victim support meeting where i could be indoctrinated into believing the police really did give a shit.Which is actually dangerous to the law and order process, because as confidence in plod decreases and they become less effectual, the likelihood of local outraged people taking actions on their own and other's behalfs increases, and vigilantes will be violently dealing with the people they know are responsible, but are unlikely to go to court and be convicted. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 26, 2023 17:11:52 GMT
And while painting police cars pink and having deputy chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging, do you really think it gives the majority a positive feeling, or does it give us tbe idea coppers cam be bent in several ways I think this is a very good point, well made. In fact, the whole post was superb. Yep you would. Every now and then I forget your true vile views. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 26, 2023 17:19:26 GMT
...put the gung ho Dirty Harry gun carrying cops in a separate corps and under strict control… Who are they then? Can you name some? And do you realise that firearms is already a separate branch? There were 6,192 police officers licensed to carry firearms in England and Wales as of 2022. Firearms officers are in several units, not just one branch.
Where firearms support is needed, it is carried out by specially trained and accredited firearms officers known as authorised firearms officers (AFOs).
In the Met, firearms support is primarily provided by MO19 Specialist Firearms Command. There are also firearms officers in a number of other units, such as Aviation Policing, Royalty and Specialist Protection Command, and the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command.
There are multiple levels of armed officers. Officers undergo rigorous selection and training to become a firearms officer. Their initial, and continued training, is dependent on the role they’re operationally required to perform. All training is governed by the College of Policing’s ‘National Police Firearms Training Curriculum’ (NPFTC). The curriculum, in tandem with the Met’s chief firearms instructor, ensures that the relevant training modules are completed by all officers within their specific role profile.
All this is stated by the Met:
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Post by Toreador on Mar 26, 2023 17:27:19 GMT
I recall that a few years ago a group of martial art experts arrived from the states and sorted a few bovver boys out as that had done back home. it took a few seconds for me to realise you must mean The Guardian Angels lol On first passing, I read it as 'marital aid' Please pay attention. Martial aid is best defined as US financial assistance well used by Germany and Japan but squandered by the Attlee government; please add this to you knowledge list. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 18:04:41 GMT
I think this is a very good point, well made. In fact, the whole post was superb. Yep you would. Every now and then I forget your true vile views. It really wasn't vile, it was just putting things in proper perspective. The police shouldn't be mincing through the streets, advocating man on man action, man on woman action or speculating about the benefits or propriety of any sexual practice or position (unless it's a legal issue), because that's not their proper role. Similarly - road markings and sexual preferences |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 26, 2023 18:22:38 GMT
Yep you would. Every now and then I forget your true vile views. It really wasn't vile, it was just putting things in proper perspective. The police shouldn't be mincing through the streets, advocating man on man action, man on woman action or speculating about the benefits or propriety of any sexual practice or position (unless it's a legal issue), because that's not their proper role. Similarly - road markings and sexual preferences This >> chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging is vile, you supporting it is vile. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 18:26:57 GMT
It really wasn't vile, it was just putting things in proper perspective. The police shouldn't be mincing through the streets, advocating man on man action, man on woman action or speculating about the benefits or propriety of any sexual practice or position (unless it's a legal issue), because that's not their proper role. Similarly - road markings and sexual preferences This >> chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging is vile, you supporting it is vile. You missed a bit out there, Zany - what happened to the rest of the sentence? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 26, 2023 18:31:03 GMT
This >> chief constables mincing around waving rainbow flags in public streets where all sorts of wierdos are strutting might give tbe wierdo’s a sense of belonging is vile, you supporting it is vile. You missed a bit out there, Zany - what happened to the rest of the sentence? I couldn't give a flying fuck about the next sentence. Anymore than I would "Hitler was a bad man but.." |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 26, 2023 20:34:26 GMT
Who are they then? Can you name some? And do you realise that firearms is already a separate branch? There were 6,192 police officers licensed to carry firearms in England and Wales as of 2022. Firearms officers are in several units, not just one branch.
Where firearms support is needed, it is carried out by specially trained and accredited firearms officers known as authorised firearms officers (AFOs).
In the Met, firearms support is primarily provided by MO19 Specialist Firearms Command. There are also firearms officers in a number of other units, such as Aviation Policing, Royalty and Specialist Protection Command, and the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command.
There are multiple levels of armed officers. Officers undergo rigorous selection and training to become a firearms officer. Their initial, and continued training, is dependent on the role they’re operationally required to perform. All training is governed by the College of Policing’s ‘National Police Firearms Training Curriculum’ (NPFTC). The curriculum, in tandem with the Met’s chief firearms instructor, ensures that the relevant training modules are completed by all officers within their specific role profile.
All this is stated by the Met:
Yeah, yeah - I know all that. Now can you tell us who the gung-ho, Dirty Harry types are, please? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 26, 2023 20:37:25 GMT
You missed a bit out there, Zany - what happened to the rest of the sentence? I couldn't give a flying fuck about the next sentence. Anymore than I would "Hitler was a bad man but.." zany using profanaties who would have thunked it? |
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