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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 13:14:40 GMT
This is becoming a bit circular. You are now using your political beliefs to justify the police advertising and promoting your political beliefs. My point is that the police should not be doing this. I was being colloquial - Replaced with something far less functional = destroyed I'm struggling to think of something less functional than the Met. It's an example of an institution you have destroyed |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 26, 2023 13:53:49 GMT
Irrelevant, since that's the remit of the police. The commissioner has been quite clear about that and his desire to push back against other agencies where the police are picking up the slack for their failings. Indeed, the law is being changed as we speak to reduce the role of the police in dealing with mental health issues. Irrelevant to the conversation. You are suggesting these roles should be carried out by other government agencies. Mags doesn't want to pay any government agency to carry out these tasks. Now I don't want the police to waste my tax pulling people out of trees they've climbed.
Again, irrelevant whataboutery. There are already mental health services and social services. At the moment they are not doing their jobs and the police are filling the gaps and not doing their jobs.
It needs to stop. The role of the police is to deal with crime not babysit the mentally ill.
I don't trust Mark Rowley but he has at least acknowledged the problem.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 26, 2023 13:59:03 GMT
All Police Officers in England and Wales roughly 120,000 of them when they join the Police all swear allegiance to the reining Monarch , their brief is quite simple they swear to keep the Monarchs peace , protect life and property and enforce the Laws of the land. But as already stated they are now having to take up the slack that other organisations cannot deal with, such as Mental illness across England and Wales there was and probably still are about 50 Psychiatric Nurses stationed in Police Custody Suites, due to the wide use of illegal substances across the UK local GP's are constantly being called into Police Station 24/7 to certify if a drug user is fit to be detained and interviewed. Many of the calls the Police get 24/7 are very often are not within their remit but they are expected to respond and complained about if they don't , the country is going to the dogs, lack of parental guidance little or discipline at home and in your schools , we even have Police Officers stationed in some schools because of violence in the classrooms, weapons and drugs. As for Gung Ho Firearms Officers what a load of sheer ill informed nonsense by Patman we don't have enough of them, across England and Wales there are only 6,192 of them as of last year, last year they responded to 18,000 incidents where weapons and firearms were evident or alleged, they opened fire on four occasions. The gangs in London, Birmingham, Liverpool kill or injure more people in one week, fighting over silly insults, or the drugs trade and prostitution Turf Wars, there are more knives and firearms on our street every day of the week 24/7. Surely we are becoming a new second world country. Brexit, Covid and Putin have combined to kill our economy and our government is not willing to increase tax to fill the gaping holes. The holes in our roads are real but also symbolic of the holes in our society. So we are to live another cycle of the rich hanging onto their wealth until the society they live in becomes so awful they realise their money can't protect them from it. And so endeth the new Victorian era. The holes in our roads are symbolic of the lack of expertise of our highway engineers who should be in control. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 26, 2023 13:59:49 GMT
...put the gung ho Dirty Harry gun carrying cops in a separate corps and under strict control… Who are they then? Can you name some? And do you realise that firearms is already a separate branch? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 26, 2023 14:02:52 GMT
What is so special about the Met ?
Nothing.
Dig deep enough and EVERY police force has rootvand branch issues
Disband them all. I’d be delighted to offer my services to whatever warlord rose to the top if the pile. Because the King’s seige engineer is the most valued man in the king’s circle of people they have to be nice to and every warlord knows it
In my youth my mother was employed by the police surgeon
The local gangsters knew my mum’s employer was the ONE man tbe judge would believe when told the bruising was done by a size 13 hobnail boot (police issue) and NOT a door handle as claimed by tbe prison warder….
As a result i could leave my car in Tiger Bay with doors not only unlocked but open, engine running, radio blasting, and when i got back a bald bruiser would be standing next to it waiting for me to return and all they’d say is john, play fair, lock the fucking thing next time…..
Ok i exaggerate, but when i put a gash in my arm fixing the flat and drove like a maniac to mum’s health centre and rushed in, blood pouring on the floor, HER first works were ‘how dare you bleed on my nice clean floor’ but while her boss was stitching me up one such chap DID come in to tell the staff he’d locked the car for me as he saw it as unlocked as he came past ……..
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 26, 2023 14:20:35 GMT
As an idea, that's got legs. Perhaps it's time to trial it, maybe suspend all policing for a week and see how it goes? Based on the experience elsewhere, I can practically guarantee that the biggest detractors of the police will be the first ones screaming for their return.  |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 26, 2023 14:26:31 GMT
As an idea, that's got legs. Perhaps it's time to trial it, maybe suspend all policing for a week and see how it goes? Based on the experience elsewhere, I can practically guarantee that the biggest detractors of the police will be the first ones screaming for their return. Not me, SM, seeing one would let me know how they dress, it's not easy when they're always in cars,  |
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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 14:41:41 GMT
I think we should at least keep an open mind here. Typically a warlord policing model doesn't require much, if any, public financing.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 26, 2023 14:45:57 GMT
I think we should at least keep an open mind here. Typically a warlord policing model doesn't require much, if any, public financing. I recall that a few years ago a group of martial art experts arrived from the states and sorted a few bovver boys out as that had done back home. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 26, 2023 15:09:21 GMT
I think we should at least keep an open mind here. Typically a warlord policing model doesn't require much, if any, public financing. I recall that a few years ago a group of martial art experts arrived from the states and sorted a few bovver boys out as that had done back home. it took a few seconds for me to realise you must mean The Guardian Angels lol On first passing, I read it as 'marital aid' |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 26, 2023 15:16:41 GMT
They took a stand in NY during the rioting and looting yet also took some nasty punishment before the looters looked elsewhere.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 26, 2023 15:27:54 GMT
Nor was it ever the intent, nor has it happened. Multiculturalism has many issues, but one of them is not that we have to adapt to being African (Whatever African is, seeing as Africa has 54 ways of life) You claim that our social institutions need to be uprooted, replaced and revalued in response to a change you regularly also trivialise as inconsequential - ie nothing more than the presence of 'differently coloured people' - that they correctly predicted that your next move would be to take an axe to the institutions they valued? Were these people wrong or right? I regularly do nothing of the sort. I fully understand that people don't like change thrust upon them and that time is needed to get used to it. But it is only you who suggested we disassemble the authorities wholesale, in a bid to make the issue bigger than it is. I say the Met police are racist. Racism has been around in this country long before multiculturalism. Racism is a method for stupid people to feel better than someone else. The Met attracted these people and anyone who didn't like what they found soon left. Meanwhile their lazy leaders turned a blind eye or came to believe the rhetoric about black people and crime. Once on this path is was somewhat self fulfilling. Are you suggesting that those who were against immigration want the Met police to be racist? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 26, 2023 15:28:55 GMT
...put the gung ho Dirty Harry gun carrying cops in a separate corps and under strict control… Who are they then? Can you name some? And do you realise that firearms is already a separate branch? Clint Eastwood. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 26, 2023 15:41:38 GMT
...put the gung ho Dirty Harry gun carrying cops in a separate corps and under strict control… Who are they then? Can you name some? And do you realise that firearms is already a separate branch? Yes they are a separate branch, all of which are volunteers and have to pass a very demanding training regime not all last the course and must requalify on a regular basis , fail that and you are put back on normal duties , any sign of stress or depression same thing, the majority of Officers do not want to carry a firearm or be trained in their usage, however if things keep going down hill as they are I can see a time when they will all have to carry a firearm |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 26, 2023 16:03:08 GMT
As an idea, that's got legs. Perhaps it's time to trial it, maybe suspend all policing for a week and see how it goes? Based on the experience elsewhere, I can practically guarantee that the biggest detractors of the police will be the first ones screaming for their return. Yeah, i recall Seattle and there are a thousand memes at least on that subject. In reality i don’t know what the state can do to fix this. The left whinge that too many young fit men are stopped and searched but few grannies go housebreaking because by the time you reach that age you’ve worked out jewellers and bank vaults are better targets. |
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