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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2023 14:25:13 GMT
First of all, it would be helpful in assessing how misled the proles are by an up-to-date military report. This chap is talking in numbers.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2023 14:31:48 GMT
Now lets see what the polls say.
68% support Britain’s current role in the Ukraine conflict, (60% October 2022), 11% do not.
49% say the UK has provided about the right amount of support to Ukraine ) while 21% say we have given too little and 15% too much.
71% continue to pay close attention to news stories on the subject
83% concerned about the impact of the invasion on Ukrainian civilians
72% believe Volodymyr Zelenskyy has done a good job handling the invasion while only 8% disagree.
45% (39% last April) say the UK government has done well in its response, 33% feel the same for the Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak
A quarter say each has responded poorly. 39% say President Joe Biden has done a good job at handling the invasion, 20% disagree, while 32% believe the EU has handled it well, 22% think not.
Source IPOS
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Post by Bentley on Mar 20, 2023 15:16:06 GMT
If only the British would of listened to lord haw haw the world would of been a better place eh? 🤡
Yet another up to date ‘ military report ‘ by a Putin fanbois .
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 20, 2023 18:12:05 GMT
He does have some rather odd views - the one about there being more Irish slaves than Black slaves the late 1700s in America is a corker...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 18:18:57 GMT
He does have some rather odd views - the one about there being more Irish slaves than Black slaves the late 1700s in America is a corker... American history revisionism. Some of the Scots Nats have also jumped on board the bullshit train. Many are literally claiming to be an oppressed British colony in the hope that it convinces those educated by Holywood. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 20, 2023 18:25:12 GMT
He does have some rather odd views - the one about there being more Irish slaves than Black slaves the late 1700s in America is a corker... American history revisionism. Some of the Scots Nats have also jumped on board the bullshit train. Many are literally claiming to be an oppressed British colony in the hope that it convinces those educated by Holywood. Well the Scots were complicit in oppressing everyone from the Irish to Africans . The truth is that anyone except the elite classes can claim to be oppressed. The Scots, Irish and everyone else were never oppressed by girls with Fozzy jaw in London or children crushed by machines in Birmingham. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 22, 2023 10:29:01 GMT
During my ancestry studies I came across a mid-19th century newspaper reports here in England of men being arrested for leaving their jobs. Until recently it was still a punishable offence for men to leave their jobs for no good reason and failing to support their families. I came across a newspaper report in the 1990s of a man who ended up in front of the Magistrates for leaving his job. The Labour Exchange was of the opinion that he was making no effort to find work so they prosecuted him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 10:41:33 GMT
And the alternative to helping a totally inoffensive nation which has shown absolutely no agression what so ever to Russia.
The answer is obvious
People such as Baron Von Lotsov would be happy to have seen first of all Crimea taken, and then the rest of Ukraine, with the elected government overthrown, a Putin "Yes Man" installed, and a pro Russian government for eternity, because elections would be "fixed" that way.
Then what next ... ... Or who next , perhaps Moldova
Then Ukraine would go backwards in time, where its people have no say in their destiny, where nepotism, cronieism and corruption reign, and where the relatively new liberal free society is snuffed out.
Ukraine would become once again part of the Russian Empire, where free press does not exist, where criticism sees you end up in jail, or you have an unfortunate fatal accident.
Well sorry, but this is not going to happen, this time the worlds democracies are determined to see that Putin does not get what he wants.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 22, 2023 13:40:17 GMT
And the alternative to helping a totally inoffensive nation which has shown absolutely no agression what so ever to Russia. The answer is obvious People such as Baron Von Lotsov would be happy to have seen first of all Crimea taken, and then the rest of Ukraine, with the elected government overthrown, a Putin "Yes Man" installed, and a pro Russian government for eternity, because elections would be "fixed" that way. Then what next ... ... Or who next , perhaps Moldova Then Ukraine would go backwards in time, where its people have no say in their destiny, where nepotism, cronieism and corruption reign, and where the relatively new liberal free society is snuffed out. Ukraine would become once again part of the Russian Empire, where free press does not exist, where criticism sees you end up in jail, or you have an unfortunate fatal accident. Well sorry, but this is not going to happen, this time the worlds democracies are determined to see that Putin does not get what he wants. You are just reeling off inaccurate and incorrect statements without any attempt to back them up with reason or proof. Furthermore you are then surmising what will happen next based on wrong information.
It saddens me that you are part of a large majority in Britain who behave in this way. You will only trust what you perceive to be your own side. The Chinese refer to it as the Cold War mentality. They have got you completely sussed.
What is likely to happen is this British propaganda will create wrong impressions of what is going on and so that will play against their chances of winning, causing mistakes. I can't predict how the world will look in 20 years time, but more generally I can say the Western powers will lose power, influence and wealth. Our country will continue to decay into chaos and anarchy. That I can say due to historical precedent. You can look through the history of our empire and see it all. Your problem is pride. Pride is a killer. They teach pride a lot in this country.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 28, 2023 9:21:36 GMT
Brainwashing ?
Hardly
It’s called ‘i couldn’t give a shit, wake me up when putin has been killed off’ syndrome.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 28, 2023 9:22:52 GMT
And the alternative to helping a totally inoffensive nation which has shown absolutely no agression what so ever to Russia. The answer is obvious People such as Baron Von Lotsov would be happy to have seen first of all Crimea taken, and then the rest of Ukraine, with the elected government overthrown, a Putin "Yes Man" installed, and a pro Russian government for eternity, because elections would be "fixed" that way. Then what next ... ... Or who next , perhaps Moldova Then Ukraine would go backwards in time, where its people have no say in their destiny, where nepotism, cronieism and corruption reign, and where the relatively new liberal free society is snuffed out. Ukraine would become once again part of the Russian Empire, where free press does not exist, where criticism sees you end up in jail, or you have an unfortunate fatal accident. Well sorry, but this is not going to happen, this time the worlds democracies are determined to see that Putin does not get what he wants. I’d have preferred Poland to Moldova personally. It would have woken some people up |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 28, 2023 14:49:00 GMT
Brainwashing ? Hardly It’s called ‘i couldn’t give a shit, wake me up when putin has been killed off’ syndrome. If you would like a specimen to study then go to Times Radio and listen to some talks and then read the comments. Typically you get some young trendy presenter with middle class pretensions hearing from one of our top military brass who perpetually talks out of his arse and both the trendy presenters and the audience lap every word up. I've been working hard in my role as an education charity to help these poor souls see reality. It's a tricky job. Brainwashing is hard to counter. Col Douglas Macgregor though is spot on the money. He was one of Uncle Sam's men and knows what he is dealing with. He's one of the few honest ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 21:03:00 GMT
IF the people of Luhansk and Donetsk Provinces had voted against Ukrainian independence in 1991, then perhaps Baron von Lotsov may have a valid point. The YES vote in both provinces was 84%.
IF - there had been a campaign in the two provinces for independence, or a political movement or political party which had campaigned for separation, then perhaps Baron von Lotsov may have a point.
The Donbas is an integral part of Ukraine, it is officialy, legally and historically part of Ukraine, the people who live there voted to be part of an independent Ukraine.
There is no valid reason or reasons for excusing what Vladimir Putin is attempting to do, it is nothing other than illegal, his forces in Ukraine are illegal occupiers.
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 29, 2023 0:51:04 GMT
Surprise, surprise, another I hate my country post lol.
Hmmm why would I support my own country over one led by a dictator who is wanted for war crimes.
If you lived in Russia / China and spoke out against your government on a political forum like this, you would be locked up or murdered... and this is the people you choose to side with lol.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 29, 2023 1:14:27 GMT
Surprise, surprise, another I hate my country post lol. Hmmm why would I support my own country over one led by a dictator who is wanted for war crimes. If you lived in Russia / China and spoke out against your government on a political forum like this, you would be locked up or murdered... and this is the people you choose to side with lol. My view on this is the Ukrainians have been incredibly stupid and the reason they have been is due to their media brainwashing them. Yes we have manipulative media all around the world, but there are different degrees of it. Russia is at war so its a wartime clampdown, like we did the same in the world wars. People who fuck about when the country is at war can cause lives to be lost, so it is serious. This is why they have banned protest. As for China, there is a world happiness survey published each year. It is interesting reading. Not only does China score as the happiest country in the world, but the breakdown in different types of happiness reveals they are also the happiest in the world regarding their government. Since 1990 the GDP has increased 33x. So do get real. China is loving it, our happiness with our government is right down there with the worst. My view is the state here is deflecting attention away from our own sad lot and pretending there are worse off. Well China is certainly much better off. |
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