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Post by Pacifico on Mar 16, 2023 22:34:32 GMT
How long do you think that can last. Have you many other examples? Well it lasted until the market re-balanced itself. Brexit and the Pandemic produced a shortage of available labour - the market increased pay and conditions so as to attract labour to fill the vacancies and balance was restored. Paying more solved the shortage issue - it's how the market is supposed to work. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 17, 2023 1:16:23 GMT
How long do you think that can last. Have you many other examples? Well it lasted until the market re-balanced itself. Brexit and the Pandemic produced a shortage of available labour - the market increased pay and conditions so as to attract labour to fill the vacancies and balance was restored. Paying more solved the shortage issue - it's how the market is supposed to work. But it didnt happen. That is why the Tories have offered doctors a higher tax threshold on pensions before they pay tax. The pay and conditions didnt fill vacancies. The NHS had to go head to head with the government to get something akun to an acceptable pay rise. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2023 5:56:47 GMT
Well it lasted until the market re-balanced itself. Brexit and the Pandemic produced a shortage of available labour - the market increased pay and conditions so as to attract labour to fill the vacancies and balance was restored. Paying more solved the shortage issue - it's how the market is supposed to work. But it didnt happen. That is why the Tories have offered doctors a higher tax threshold on pensions before they pay tax. The pay and conditions didnt fill vacancies. The NHS had to go head to head with the government to get something akun to an acceptable pay rise.And NHS workers couldn't do that successfully (go on strike) because they knew there were cheaper migrants ready and willing to undercut them. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2023 5:58:49 GMT
It gave them the ability to shed a large slice of their population through FOM, people who were a drag on their economy but could spread across EU territory, become richer and send a lot of money back to their homeland to boost their economy. Precisely. And the UK took the majority because even among the less skilled English is the second language Thank you for highlighting why FoM was no good for the UK. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 6:48:44 GMT
Precisely. And the UK took the majority because even among the less skilled English is the second language Did we take the majority or did we take more than other EU nations. The French were complaining about East Europeans when I was there, they had thousands. Germany had thousands and both had more Romas than we had. I don't know the exact figure but Germany has millions of Turks, France has millions of people ftom their North African colonies, the EU is beseiged by people from beyond its borders, as is America. The Australians, Chinese and Japs have the right idea though you can probably name others. Turkey and Africa are not part of FoM so a slightly different subject. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 6:51:01 GMT
How long do you think that can last. Have you many other examples? Well it lasted until the market re-balanced itself. Brexit and the Pandemic produced a shortage of available labour - the market increased pay and conditions so as to attract labour to fill the vacancies and balance was restored. Paying more solved the shortage issue - it's how the market is supposed to work. As usual with you I would have to repeat myself about the other factors, but this time I can't be bothered. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 6:53:11 GMT
Precisely. And the UK took the majority because even among the less skilled English is the second language Thank you for highlighting why FoM was no good for the UK. You're welcome. I never thought it was a good idea for the reasons I give above. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 6:54:35 GMT
But it didnt happen. That is why the Tories have offered doctors a higher tax threshold on pensions before they pay tax. The pay and conditions didnt fill vacancies. The NHS had to go head to head with the government to get something akun to an acceptable pay rise.And NHS workers couldn't do that successfully (go on strike) because they knew there were cheaper migrants ready and willing to undercut them. I apologise, I didn't have you down as someone in favour of higher taxes  |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2023 7:01:18 GMT
And NHS workers couldn't do that successfully (go on strike) because they knew there were cheaper migrants ready and willing to undercut them. I apologise, I didn't have you down as someone in favour of higher taxes Don't apologise to me. You've played your hand and support my view that FoM didn't work for the UK. Thank you. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 7:08:05 GMT
I apologise, I didn't have you down as someone in favour of higher taxes Don't apologise to me. You've played your hand and support my view that FoM didn't work for the UK. Thank you. I realise you and most other people on here are monochrome, but I'm not. I supported remaining within the EU but not the idea of unrestricted FoM. However I also looked into it and found that the EU recognised that as well. They offered a moratorium on FoM for the UK for 4 years to allow us to time to offer solutions. Only Cameron forgot to tell you that. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2023 7:16:12 GMT
Don't apologise to me. You've played your hand and support my view that FoM didn't work for the UK. Thank you. I realise you and most other people on here are monochrome, but I'm not. I supported remaining within the EU but not the idea of unrestricted FoM. However I also looked into it and found that the EU recognised that as well. They offered a moratorium on FoM for the UK for 4 years to allow us to time to offer solutions. Only Cameron forgot to tell you that. Allow us time to offer solutions - wonderful, that's nice of them. And after 4 years the UK would still have FoM and Europe's 'English as a second language' majority washing up on our shores suppressing NHS staff wages. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 7:36:01 GMT
I realise you and most other people on here are monochrome, but I'm not. I supported remaining within the EU but not the idea of unrestricted FoM. However I also looked into it and found that the EU recognised that as well. They offered a moratorium on FoM for the UK for 4 years to allow us to time to offer solutions. Only Cameron forgot to tell you that. Allow us time to offer solutions - wonderful, that's nice of them. And after 4 years the UK would still have FoM and Europe's 'English as a second language' majority washing up on our shores suppressing NHS staff wages. You cannot possibly know that. One of the big problems was the way our benefits system is structured including housing benefit, changes here would have had a dramatic effect. But while you were blaming the EU it was your own government that didn't want to stop FoM, you can see why now. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2023 7:39:10 GMT
Well it lasted until the market re-balanced itself. Brexit and the Pandemic produced a shortage of available labour - the market increased pay and conditions so as to attract labour to fill the vacancies and balance was restored. Paying more solved the shortage issue - it's how the market is supposed to work. But it didnt happen. That is why the Tories have offered doctors a higher tax threshold on pensions before they pay tax. The pay and conditions didnt fill vacancies. The NHS had to go head to head with the government to get something akun to an acceptable pay rise. The market doesnt set pay rates in the NHS - I already pointed this out to you once. The private sector have no problem attracting staff - precisely because they operate in the normal labour market where the going rate rises when they have to fill vacancies. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2023 7:42:41 GMT
Well it lasted until the market re-balanced itself. Brexit and the Pandemic produced a shortage of available labour - the market increased pay and conditions so as to attract labour to fill the vacancies and balance was restored. Paying more solved the shortage issue - it's how the market is supposed to work. As usual with you I would have to repeat myself about the other factors, but this time I can't be bothered. Well you can bang on about other factors all you like but 99% of the people in this county go to work to earn money. And the basic economic fact of life is that supply and demand matter. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 17, 2023 8:48:38 GMT
But it didnt happen. That is why the Tories have offered doctors a higher tax threshold on pensions before they pay tax. The pay and conditions didnt fill vacancies. The NHS had to go head to head with the government to get something akun to an acceptable pay rise. The market doesnt set pay rates in the NHS - I already pointed this out to you once. The private sector have no problem attracting staff - precisely because they operate in the normal labour market where the going rate rises when they have to fill vacancies. Of course economics as simplistic as yours applies to the public sector. If the pay rates go up, more people will want to do the job.conversely if rates dont keep up with the private sector, employees will leave. This was a big issue in the NHS strikes and in teachers' pay. |
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