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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 19:13:01 GMT
Germans want to divide and rule. Who'd have thought it?
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Post by patman post on Mar 9, 2023 19:31:20 GMT
It will be fun to watch as the EU and IMF brigade advise they will bank roll your independence push on the proviso you have to accept their economic terms including ending free university education and ending free prescription except for pensioners and those on benefits. There is no free meal ticket and expect you will find out the hard way. The Scots if allowed to join the EU a decision that will not happen quickly IMO, the Scots may also have to adopt the Euro and all its regulations, plus what will happen at the border between England and Scotland will that be as difficult as the border with the South and North of Ireland has been, and may still not be resolved to everyone's satisfaction the Jury is still out on that one. If alleged Asylum seekers get into Scotland and cross into England what happens to them do we send them back to Scotland or will the Scots have to patrol and Police their side of border and pay for it, what about the Royal Navy base for the Trident Submarines that will have to be moved south, local Jobs will be lost, any RAF bases north of the border same thing, new Passports will be needed etc etc as they say the devil is in the details. I don't have a problem if they leave the Union its their country after all If Schottland gets its independence, will its relationship with the rest of the UK necessarily be much different than that of Ireland…? |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 9, 2023 19:35:38 GMT
It will be fun to watch as the EU and IMF brigade advise they will bank roll your independence push on the proviso you have to accept their economic terms including ending free university education and ending free prescription except for pensioners and those on benefits. There is no free meal ticket and expect you will find out the hard way. The Scots if allowed to join the EU a decision that will not happen quickly IMO, the Scots may also have to adopt the Euro and all its regulations, plus what will happen at the border between England and Scotland will that be as difficult as the border with the South and North of Ireland has been, and may still not be resolved to everyone's satisfaction the Jury is still out on that one. If alleged Asylum seekers get into Scotland and cross into England what happens to them do we send them back to Scotland or will the Scots have to patrol and Police their side of border and pay for it, what about the Royal Navy base for the Trident Submarines that will have to be moved south, local Jobs will be lost, any RAF bases north of the border same thing, new Passports will be needed etc etc as they say the devil is in the details. I don't have a problem if they leave the Union its their country after all I don't have a problem either yet think they might regret it as the cost kicks in. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 9, 2023 19:36:29 GMT
The Scots if allowed to join the EU a decision that will not happen quickly IMO, the Scots may also have to adopt the Euro and all its regulations, plus what will happen at the border between England and Scotland will that be as difficult as the border with the South and North of Ireland has been, and may still not be resolved to everyone's satisfaction the Jury is still out on that one. If alleged Asylum seekers get into Scotland and cross into England what happens to them do we send them back to Scotland or will the Scots have to patrol and Police their side of border and pay for it, what about the Royal Navy base for the Trident Submarines that will have to be moved south, local Jobs will be lost, any RAF bases north of the border same thing, new Passports will be needed etc etc as they say the devil is in the details. I don't have a problem if they leave the Union its their country after all If Schottland gets its independence, will its relationship with the rest of the UK necessarily be much different than that of Ireland… Who knows we will have to wait and see , but the problem in Ireland is the border as the south Eire is in the EU , NI isn't' its part of the UK |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 9, 2023 19:37:14 GMT
The Scots if allowed to join the EU a decision that will not happen quickly IMO, the Scots may also have to adopt the Euro and all its regulations, plus what will happen at the border between England and Scotland will that be as difficult as the border with the South and North of Ireland has been, and may still not be resolved to everyone's satisfaction the Jury is still out on that one. If alleged Asylum seekers get into Scotland and cross into England what happens to them do we send them back to Scotland or will the Scots have to patrol and Police their side of border and pay for it, what about the Royal Navy base for the Trident Submarines that will have to be moved south, local Jobs will be lost, any RAF bases north of the border same thing, new Passports will be needed etc etc as they say the devil is in the details. I don't have a problem if they leave the Union its their country after all I don't have a problem either yet think they might regret it as the cost kicks in. I think so as well |
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Post by borchester on Mar 9, 2023 19:41:40 GMT
Germans want to divide and rule. Who'd have thought it? Well, they have been on the receiving end often enough, but as to them being able to do so themsellves, well, not so much. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 22:17:45 GMT
The Scots if allowed to join the EU a decision that will not happen quickly IMO, the Scots may also have to adopt the Euro and all its regulations, plus what will happen at the border between England and Scotland will that be as difficult as the border with the South and North of Ireland has been, and may still not be resolved to everyone's satisfaction the Jury is still out on that one. If alleged Asylum seekers get into Scotland and cross into England what happens to them do we send them back to Scotland or will the Scots have to patrol and Police their side of border and pay for it, what about the Royal Navy base for the Trident Submarines that will have to be moved south, local Jobs will be lost, any RAF bases north of the border same thing, new Passports will be needed etc etc as they say the devil is in the details. I don't have a problem if they leave the Union its their country after all If Schottland gets its independence, will its relationship with the rest of the UK necessarily be much different than that of Ireland… Pretty much the same but with border controls identical to France. Remember there is no issue about border checkpoints being installed on the M6, in fact some SNP politicians would welcome that. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2023 0:20:57 GMT
You missed your own point again. Have you seen demonstrations in the UK calling for the USA NOT to break up? That would be a fair comparison for a call for the uk union to stay as it is . Why would the EU want the UK to break up? Are you implying that the EU is spiteful enough to want to destroy the UK as an entity?You are Nigel Farage and I claim my pint of old and mild .😀 I wouldn't attribute those motives to the EU. If, however, they perceive the inevitability of Scottish independence, and they anticipate an application for membership, they might interpret bringing another part of the UK under EU rules as a small victory of sorts. Looks like there might be a few dozen Germans in kilts around soon trying to make it inevitable. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2023 0:24:59 GMT
Germans want to divide and rule. Who'd have thought it? Indeed and I don’t remember any English people demonstrating in lederhosen and trying to stop the East and west Germany from joining together in the 1990s . |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 7:51:36 GMT
I doubt the Europeans care very much at all about preserving the union. I think they might quite like to see an independent Scotland rejoin the EU, even if only because rejoining justifies the EU position that the EU delivers better than Brexit. Indeed, they might consider that a point scored. They would be wrong then . All roads lead to Brexit for the Scot Nats . They are so interested in Scot independence that DOZENS are expected to turn up. Maybe you missed that . How do you know who will turn up ? Did you read the bit where the march is due to take place on saturday 11th march? Sounds like sour grapes and downplaying once again bentley which im sure of course you will deny.
There have been marches now over recent years in France , Spain , netherlands , Germany and other european countries in support of scot indy. The whole point as macpherson , the organiser makes plain is to keep raising awareness of the fact the uk is a rogue state that doesnt like democracy and wont recognise the snp electoral mandates for another indy ref .
Scot mp from Alba Neale hanvey is speaking at the event . Brexit , or rather england dragging scotland out against our 62 % remain vote ( while northern ireland remains) has of course massively driven european sympathy and support through the roof for scottish independence.
Lot of anglos getting upset because it shows scotland isnt getting back in her box.........
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 7:55:21 GMT
I think it’s about time the Scot Indy’s gave Putin a phone call . They seem to think he did ok for Brexit. Why not give him a crack at Scottish FREEDOM!
Bentley , will you stope it!!!!! Talk about a lack of fucking awareness!!!
Your english tory prime minister already tried to give putin a phone call in 2014 .......
Cameron pleads with Putin to fix indy vote while Robertson invites Stalin’s heir to join NATO
The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, David Cameron, has been caught begging with the dictator of Russia to ensure Scotland never gets to have a fair vote.
President Putin, the Hammer of the Ukraine, recently annexed the Crimea. Now it appears Cameron has begged his help in ensuring Scotland remains annexed to England. Birds of a feather.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 7:57:37 GMT
Did Putin have a lot of sway in the Scottish Indy referendum?  |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 8:26:55 GMT
It will be fun to watch as the EU and IMF brigade advise they will bank roll your independence push on the proviso you have to accept their economic terms including ending free university education and ending free prescription except for pensioners and those on benefits. There is no free meal ticket and expect you will find out the hard way. The Scots if allowed to join the EU a decision that will not happen quickly IMO, Not sure i agree with you on this point. We have had guy verhofstadt say it wouldnt be an issue scotland joining the eu...
Former greek finance minister , and expert at negotiating with the EU , yanis varoufakis said this....
and many more.
Thats an old scaremongering story with a grain of truth. All new members are required to adopt the euro , but to do so , they need to meet certain criteria , and if they dont want to join , all they need to do is follow swedens example of continually failing to meet those criteria. I dont think though , with the state the pound is now in , it would be that much of a bother for most scots using proper money to the GBP monopoly money.
totally disgree with you handyman. Dont know if you have ever been to northern ireland , but the irish border is nothing like the scot england border. The artificial irish border is a modern creation , which runs through living rooms , supermarket car parks , and not only dissects ireland , but the old kingdom of ulster itself.
The scot english border is one of the oldest borders in europe , is 96 miles long , runs along geographical features like rivers forests and mountains , and is a third of the length of border that exists in ireland. Its that much of a logical place for a border that the romans built a wall in the vicinty along the gask ridge.
All that to the side , most scots are happy with a border there , most people are used to it ( 800 years old) and polls show it would be no big deal for scots...
According to our recent Panelbase poll, it turns out that a hard border at Berwick and Gretna is a price that Scottish voters are – by a margin of more than two to one – willing to pay to stay in the EU.
dont think a hard border between scotland and england is the fear , its more like england being surrounded and isolated by pro EU countires and member states....
well with the mess your conservative government makes of asylum applications , and inability to control your borders , i dont think its scotland you need fear , just the incompetence of your government. Dont the tories now hold the uk record for the amount of mass immigration they have allowed into your country?
Are you saying the common travel areas will end? Wont your calamitous government suggest another ETA as they have with ireland?
im afraid thats your countires problem and of course expense. Im willing to lease faslane for a small fee over a number of years till you sort out where you want to keep them if you can of course still afford the american nukes.
500 jobs at most. Have you ever been to faslane? i worked there for years as a sub contractor. Of course , the scot government want to keep faslane as a base for the scottish navy , so i doubt many if any jobs will be lost .
Thank fuck. Ive been wanting rid of that british one for years , and look forward to getting my shiny new scottish and european citizen passport in the near future. Along with freedom of movement .
Scotland is one half of the union mate. The other is the three nation kingdom of england. We wont leave , we will end it.
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 8:28:14 GMT
Did Putin have a lot of sway in the Scottish Indy referendum? ask your conservative prime minister .He asked him , along with some 34 other nations leaders . As we know the tory party at the time was stuffed full of dirty russian money , but from memory putin laughed at cameron. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 8:29:48 GMT
Germans want to divide and rule. Who'd have thought it? our fellow european citizens want some of their own back in our european union ? Who would have thought it.? The only dividing and poor attempt at ruling was done by the english brexiter seperatists. |
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