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Post by wapentake on Mar 22, 2023 20:48:56 GMT
You know what's going to happen/ If only I had your powers I'd be a damn sight wealthier.
Stop being stupid. If you know what the law is, you can predict the outcome of a court case. Oh so now I'm stupid ? Because I point out that the international law appears to have some elasticity.
I would speculate that international law has been shown short shrift on many occasions with little impact,perhaps that law can be interpreted in other ways as has been shown.
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 22, 2023 20:51:14 GMT
Stop being stupid. If you know what the law is, you can predict the outcome of a court case. Oh so now I'm stupid Because I point out that the international law appears to have some elasticity.
I would speculate that international law has been shown short shrift on many occasions with little impact,perhaps that law can be interpreted in other ways as has been shown.
No, you're being stupid when you suggest that lawyers (or anyone who has deduced what the law is in a particular area) can't predict what will happen in a court case. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 22, 2023 21:01:36 GMT
Oh so now I'm stupid Because I point out that the international law appears to have some elasticity.
I would speculate that international law has been shown short shrift on many occasions with little impact,perhaps that law can be interpreted in other ways as has been shown.
No, you're being stupid when you suggest that lawyers (or anyone who has deduced what the law is in a particular area) can't predict what will happen in a court case. Only in your imagination,I predicted nothing of the kind but what I did do was relate other events pertinent to this.
I only wonder that you resort to calling others stupid because their view doesn't align with yours,I also didn't say that what the spainiards did was right or contravening international law was either.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 22, 2023 21:02:26 GMT
You are ignoring the international obligation as regards how countries interact with each other. If ignoring ones own laws results in onerous conditions on your neighbour that creates an international obligation. If a country allowed an armed force to traverse its country to attack its neighbour then that is a breach of international law. by only ignoring their own laws. There is a duty to uphold one's own laws if failure to do so has serious consequences upon your neighbour. If we were very lax as regards who was allowed on Ferries to travel to Ireland we would be breaching our own laws and visiting problems upon Ireland who have enough problems of their own. I'd like you to provide a link to this 'international obligation'. I've asked for it already. You haven't responded. I'm not aware of any rule in international law that says that sovereign states are under an obligation to enforce their own rules. If you have proof of your assertion to the contrary, provide a link. Let us be clear here, because you say there is no rule or law that means France has any obligation to enforce its own laws then they can ignore laws at their pleasure even if they inconvenience us. Cooperation is not a matter of two states being friendly it is only a matter of the rules and the law. At least we are getting somewhere as regards the law. That it matters little how much an activity may in part or wholly disadvantage a group, they are duty bound by law to accede to the demands placed upon them by international law alone and must bear all costs, upset and if necessary extinction if international law places that obligation upon them. In the end we must bow to continued influx to our shores of forces allowed free passage through other lands specifically against the laws of those lands. In the end no good will come of it and one can easily see how the language currently used can change to the rhetoric of antipathy. If the law keeps getting thrown up. I repeat the bumble comment that if that is what the law says then the law is an ass and needs to have its eye opened by experience. That experience belongs to everyone else except those who consider the law. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 22, 2023 21:09:17 GMT
No, you're being stupid when you suggest that lawyers (or anyone who has deduced what the law is in a particular area) can't predict what will happen in a court case. Only in your imagination,I predicted nothing of the kind but what I did do was relate other events pertinent to this.
I only wonder that you resort to calling others stupid because their view doesn't align with yours,I also didn't say that what the spainiards did was right or contravening international law was either.
You said: 'You know what's going to happen? If only I had your powers, I'd be a damn sight wealthier'. What was that? You were mocking the idea that someone equipped with a knowledge of the law can predict the outcome of a court case. That's stupid. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 22, 2023 21:10:49 GMT
I'd like you to provide a link to this 'international obligation'. I've asked for it already. You haven't responded. I'm not aware of any rule in international law that says that sovereign states are under an obligation to enforce their own rules. If you have proof of your assertion to the contrary, provide a link. Let us be clear here, because you say there is no rule or law that means France has any obligation to enforce its own laws then they can ignore laws at their pleasure even if they inconvenience us. Cooperation is not a matter of two states being friendly it is only a matter of the rules and the law. At least we are getting somewhere as regards the law. That it matters little how much an activity may in part or wholly disadvantage a group, they are duty bound by law to accede to the demands placed upon them by international law alone and must bear all costs, upset and if necessary extinction if international law places that obligation upon them. In the end we must bow to continued influx to our shores of forces allowed free passage through other lands specifically against the laws of those lands. In the end no good will come of it and one can easily see how the language currently used can change to the rhetoric of antipathy. If the law keeps getting thrown up. I repeat the bumble comment that if that is what the law says then the law is an ass and needs to have its eye opened by experience. That experience belongs to everyone else except those who consider the law. Is this a long-winded way of saying that there is no rule in international law that requires sovereign nations to enforce their own laws for the benefit of another state? |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 22, 2023 21:31:59 GMT
Only in your imagination,I predicted nothing of the kind but what I did do was relate other events pertinent to this.
I only wonder that you resort to calling others stupid because their view doesn't align with yours,I also didn't say that what the spainiards did was right or contravening international law was either.
You said: 'You know what's going to happen? If only I had your powers, I'd be a damn sight wealthier'. What was that? You were mocking the idea that someone equipped with a knowledge of the law can predict the outcome of a court case. That's stupid. So you ignore the rest of the post
Anyway you posted this
I was pointing out that surety of any outcome cannot be known but wouldn't presume anyone saying that is stupid nor was mocking either but responded with a little humour which you describe stupid.
I've been called worse but anyhow was trying to make serious point.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 22, 2023 22:31:49 GMT
All applications are considered - those from what are deemed safe countries are automatically rejected. Take Sweden.. According to the Swedish Migration Agency, the following countries are safe countries of origin:
Albania
Bosnia and Hercegovina
Chile
Georgia
Kosovo
Mongolia
North Macedonia
Serbia
If you come from any of these countries, the Swedish Migration Agency will assume that you can obtain protection from the authorities in your home country. The Swedish Migration Agency can then make a decision on refusal of entry that will be enforced immediately. This means that you may need to leave Sweden even if you appeal the decision, and you will be issued a re-entry ban that is valid for two years.Can you provide the link for this? You say they are automatically rejected. Yet, the part you link says there is merely an assumption. Assumptions can be rebutted. I'd like to see whether Swedish law allows the presumption of safety to be rebutted. The post tells you they can appeal. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 22, 2023 23:28:50 GMT
Can you provide the link for this? You say they are automatically rejected. Yet, the part you link says there is merely an assumption. Assumptions can be rebutted. I'd like to see whether Swedish law allows the presumption of safety to be rebutted. The post tells you they can appeal. Right. There is no automatic rejection in practical effect, then. Simply a delay while the appeal court decides whether they are, in fact, refugees, as required by the Refugee Convention. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 5:55:00 GMT
Lefties love snowflakes. You Nazi. Always the same resort to insults when a discussion becomes to hard. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 23, 2023 6:10:56 GMT
I assume plod will be talking to him about his hate thoughts?.......They say a picture paints a thousand words.. Ex-Tony Blair spinner Alastair Campbell branded 'sick' and 'beyond help' by Tories after he questions how ill Boris Johnson really was when he caught Covid in 2020 and spent three days in intensive care
Mr Campbell is a former journalist and spin doctor who now presents a podcast. He is
pictured at the weekend with friend Gary Lineker
Tony Blair's former spin chief was branded 'sick' today after he questioned how ill Boris Johnson really was when he was hospitalised with Covid. Alastair Campbell was accused of being 'beyond help' after a tasteless remark on Twitter this morning. The ex-Labour PR chief, famed for his potty mouth and angry outbursts, responded to a follower who asked 'does anyone actually believe that Johnson nearly died of Covid?' by saying 'no'. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11889795/Ex-Tony-Blair-spinner-Alastair-Campbell-branded-sick-Boris-Johnson-Covid-jibe.html |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 23, 2023 8:05:32 GMT
The post tells you they can appeal. Right. There is no automatic rejection in practical effect, then. Simply a delay while the appeal court decides whether they are, in fact, refugees, as required by the Refugee Convention. the practical effect is that they are deported. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 23, 2023 9:41:32 GMT
Lefties love snowflakes. You Nazi. Always the same resort to insults when a discussion becomes to hard. Congratulations . You have managed to criticise your own post . You were the one who posted ‘ snowflake’.🤡 |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 9:47:26 GMT
The text formatting here is tricky, this sort of thing can happen to the best of us.
I think i have had several conversations in which arguments presented against me looked suspiciously like my previous comments
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Post by Bentley on Mar 23, 2023 9:51:36 GMT
The text formatting here is tricky, this sort of thing can happen to the best of us. I think i have had several conversations in which arguments presented against me looked suspiciously like my previous comments Not in this case.  |
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