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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 7, 2023 10:56:13 GMT
Nuclear.
Specifically, the industrial production of mini reactors
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 11:06:51 GMT
What are you on. Please stop with the daft global conspiracy theory where every scientific institute on the planet has agreed to lie to their countries. Everyone from China to Australia, The Uk to Iceland all agreeing to fabricate figures. It knocks the Kennedy conspiracy into a cocked hat, that's for sure. The Wuhan lab leak was called a "Conspiracy theory" until recently. Now it's pretty much accepted. It's take longer with "Climate change" but it will happen. It was the UK government that went ahead and used the virus to cause economic damage to this country. So many people (inc. doctors) were shut down and banned just from questioning the virus, its origin and the response. Even people who were breaking down official government reports were being censored and banned (any slight deviation was stamped out). The censorship online is and always has been evil, and today we learn that our own government were lying and terrorizing the people into conforming with lockdowns. The damage is incalculable, not only to the economy and our freedoms, but also any trust toward the government and institutions that rule over us. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 7, 2023 11:23:14 GMT
Here is another gigantic bubble of lies that looks like it about to pop open
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Post by Toreador on Mar 7, 2023 11:33:23 GMT
Good finds Mags and shows what arseholes some politicians are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 11:57:25 GMT
Here is another gigantic bubble of lies that looks like it about to pop open Very interesting. However, some people will prefer to believe the lies if there's an advantage for doing so, whilst some others will continue to believe the other narrative even if there's evidence to suggest they're wrong. The latter are most likely locked into their own ego, which, I guess, is part of the psychological attack. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 7, 2023 12:23:57 GMT
China decides what China does - no one else. Agreed, as someone in the know Baron, do you think the Chinese government recognises AGW? Yes and they are probably the number one in the world for developing the technology to replace these 19th century technologies with. Their solar industry is very impressive as is their battery technology and they are getting into wind, hydro, nuclear, thorium and so on. I think we aught to look at ourselves rather than what our people do, which is blame someone else. They have set their goal of carbon neutral by 2060, but that's not all, since they are building nuclear power stations all around the third world. Argentina is the latest country which I understand wants their nuclear power. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 7, 2023 13:58:43 GMT
Well we can't do it with wind turbines and solar panels. It's rapidly becoming apparent that wind turbines can't deliver cheap energy - they are no cheaper than fossil fuel energy and, of course, they're intermittent. We're also seeing that their claimed lifespan of 20 years is very optimistic - especially in the sea, which is a very inhospitable environment. They last more like 5 years apparently. Solar panels are cheaper but they just don't deliver enough energy - and again they're intermittent. They seem fond of carpeting the fields in the West Country with these monstrosities but they're very unpopular with the locals and unfortunately they only manage to turn 20% of the SUn's energy into electricity. The rest is converted into heat - they get very hot indeed, which is not a great idea when we're trying cool the planet down apparently. So what's left. Wave power maybe, but nobody's got it working yet on reasonable scale. Carbon capture? Maybe but the cost - both financially and in terms of the energy needed to do it - is very high. No one has got it working at scale yet. Synthetic fuels? Possible, but it's very costly in terms of land usage and again you have to put a huge amount of energy to make the fuels (the energy that fossil fuels have already reaped from the Sun). Hydrogen? Possible but again it costs a lot to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. Although maybe it's a good way of storing energy from renewables that would otherwise be discarded. Basically, unless you have the geology to generate hydropower, it's a bit difficult at the moment. The bottom line is that we will need fossil fuels for many decades to come so we should restart our fossil fuels industry. Wind powered generation cost per megawatt hour has fallen to only £38.00. Compared to the average of £49.00. How cheap does it need to be to make it cheap enough? Wind reliability is a problem, but not insurmountable and as we build more those calm days will lessen as the wind is always blowing somewhere. Solar is a good back up but the UK climate is not ideal for it. I think in the future we will trade energy with countries across Europe and north Africa. Yes we will still need gas back up, but the net zero is not about using no gas. Factually incorrect. Wind power is sold for the same as fossil power. That's what the wind power industry have negotiated and why should they sell it any cheaper. You also misunderstand how far electricity can practically be distributed because of losses in transmission. Mostly it's sent via local networks which are not even connected to the Grid for input. "The wind is always blowing somewhere" is a recipe for disaster. The whole country relies on electricity - even to run their gas heating - and we're already sailing very close to the wind (no pun intended) when it comes to our electricity supply. When you realise that our nuclear power stations are being decommissioned (with no new ones due to arrive for years) and coal fire power stations shut down and oil production mothballed et cetera you get a rough idea of how far we've been conned. China of course has hedged its bets. It's building coal fired power stations at a great rate and has not signed up to net zero. It also hasn't made any commitment to net zero. Same with Russia. They're just looking on at our daft politicians shutting down our energy production and laughing. They can't believe how gullible we are. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 7, 2023 14:28:02 GMT
 THIS is how I know SOLAR is a waste of time and effort. THIS is me, back in 79, being paid good money to measure total solar radiation at 51 degrees north |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2023 17:46:54 GMT
Nuclear. Specifically, the industrial production of mini reactors Agreed, do you know why mini reactors are not on the table? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2023 17:49:14 GMT
Agreed, as someone in the know Baron, do you think the Chinese government recognises AGW? Yes and they are probably the number one in the world for developing the technology to replace these 19th century technologies with. Their solar industry is very impressive as is their battery technology and they are getting into wind, hydro, nuclear, thorium and so on. I think we aught to look at ourselves rather than what our people do, which is blame someone else. They have set their goal of carbon neutral by 2060, but that's not all, since they are building nuclear power stations all around the third world. Argentina is the latest country which I understand wants their nuclear power. Thank you. Would you mind repeating that every time someone says there's no point us doing something because China wont. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 7, 2023 17:50:23 GMT
Nuclear. Specifically, the industrial production of mini reactors Agreed, do you know why mini reactors are not on the table? Do you? I need to know as a matter of urgency. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2023 17:56:18 GMT
Wind powered generation cost per megawatt hour has fallen to only £38.00. Compared to the average of £49.00. How cheap does it need to be to make it cheap enough? Wind reliability is a problem, but not insurmountable and as we build more those calm days will lessen as the wind is always blowing somewhere. Solar is a good back up but the UK climate is not ideal for it. I think in the future we will trade energy with countries across Europe and north Africa. Yes we will still need gas back up, but the net zero is not about using no gas. Factually incorrect. Wind power is sold for the same as fossil power. That's what the wind power industry have negotiated and why should they sell it any cheaper. You also misunderstand how far electricity can practically be distributed because of losses in transmission. Mostly it's sent via local networks which are not even connected to the Grid for input. "The wind is always blowing somewhere" is a recipe for disaster. The whole country relies on electricity - even to run their gas heating - and we're already sailing very close to the wind (no pun intended) when it comes to our electricity supply. When you realise that our nuclear power stations are being decommissioned (with no new ones due to arrive for years) and coal fire power stations shut down and oil production mothballed et cetera you get a rough idea of how far we've been conned. China of course has hedged its bets. It's building coal fired power stations at a great rate and has not signed up to net zero. It also hasn't made any commitment to net zero. Same with Russia. They're just looking on at our daft politicians shutting down our energy production and laughing. They can't believe how gullible we are. Its not my fault the government insist on charging the same for wind as the average, but that does not make wind too expensive does it. We already have interconnectors with much of Europe. Morocco is building a sub sea cable to Europe and the UK. electrek.co/2022/04/21/the-worlds-longest-subsea-cable-will-send-clean-energy-from-morocco-to-the-uk/China is building dozens of nuclear power stations and committed to be carbon neutral by 2060. The coal fired power stations are a stop gap. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2023 17:57:46 GMT
THIS is how I know SOLAR is a waste of time and effort. THIS is me, back in 79, being paid good money to measure total solar radiation at 51 degrees north Impressive John. But surely its come on a pace since then? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 7, 2023 18:03:47 GMT
Factually incorrect. Wind power is sold for the same as fossil power. That's what the wind power industry have negotiated and why should they sell it any cheaper. You also misunderstand how far electricity can practically be distributed because of losses in transmission. Mostly it's sent via local networks which are not even connected to the Grid for input. "The wind is always blowing somewhere" is a recipe for disaster. The whole country relies on electricity - even to run their gas heating - and we're already sailing very close to the wind (no pun intended) when it comes to our electricity supply. When you realise that our nuclear power stations are being decommissioned (with no new ones due to arrive for years) and coal fire power stations shut down and oil production mothballed et cetera you get a rough idea of how far we've been conned. China of course has hedged its bets. It's building coal fired power stations at a great rate and has not signed up to net zero. It also hasn't made any commitment to net zero. Same with Russia. They're just looking on at our daft politicians shutting down our energy production and laughing. They can't believe how gullible we are. , but that does not make wind too expensive does it. We already have interconnectors with much of Europe. Morocco is building a sub sea cable to Europe and the UK. electrek.co/2022/04/21/the-worlds-longest-subsea-cable-will-send-clean-energy-from-morocco-to-the-uk/China is building dozens of nuclear power stations and committed to be carbon neutral by 2060. The coal fired power stations are a stop gap. Does the government charge for it or is it you electricity supplier? I ask because I have questions to MPs on this very topic but they won't answer why all means of electricity are put into one melting pot and the final price calculated where everyone payys the same unit price regardless of whether they buy from a green producer. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2023 18:44:41 GMT
Nuclear. Specifically, the industrial production of mini reactors This ^^^ Currently, with the existing technology, this is the only way to go to replace fossil fuels. |
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