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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 6:10:57 GMT
I've finally worked out exactly what woke means.
Following the laws of the land. 🤣
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 10:19:16 GMT
I've finally worked out exactly what woke means. Following the laws of the land. 🤣 Woke is anyone who is not an angry, red-faced gammon. The gammons are authoritarian. They think any amount of force is acceptable when the rules have been broken. You can sit on someone's neck until they suffocate if they break a driving law; you can shoot someone who is trespassing on your land; you can startle someone into falling onto a busy highway if they are improperly cycling on a footpath. When the gammons heard about this, their first reaction was to ask: 'was this a shared footpath?' Because if it was, anything was acceptable. Well, that's not how the law works. Everyone is required to react in a proportionate way, even if the law is being broken. You can't shoot a trespasser or suffocate someone to death for breaching the highway code. If you see someone using the footpath as a cycling lane when they shouldn't, you have to respond reasonably. You can't descend on them screaming profanities in a way that is likely to startle them into falling to their death. This is the case even if the cyclist shouldn't have been on the footpath. It is disproportionate. Auriol Grey acted like a red-faced gammon, and the gammons are now rushing to her defence.
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Post by Steve on Mar 8, 2023 10:41:45 GMT
I've finally worked out exactly what woke means. Following the laws of the land. 🤣 Woke is anyone who is not an angry, red-faced gammon. The gammons are authoritarian. They think any amount of force is acceptable when the rules have been broken. You can sit on someone's neck until they suffocate if they break a driving law; you can shoot someone who is trespassing on your land; you can startle someone into falling onto a busy highway if they are cycling on a footpath. When the gammons heard about this, their first reaction was to ask: 'was this a shared footpath?' Because if it was, anything was acceptable. Well, that's not how the law works. Everyone is required to react in a proportionate way, even if the law is being broken. You can't shoot a trespasser or suffocate someone to death for breaching the highway code. If you see someone using the footpath as a cycling lane when they shouldn't, you have to respond reasonably. You can't descend on them screaming profanities in a way that is likely to startle them into falling to their death. This is the case even if the cyclist shouldn't have been on the footpath. It is disproportionate. Auriol Grey acted like a red-faced gammon, and the gammons are now rushing to her defence. Which means if you are riding a cycle on a footpath and you see a pedestrian you stop. You do realise they fit brakes to cycles for a reason don't you? You do realise a cycle on a footpath is a potential lethal weapon don't you?
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 10:46:14 GMT
Woke is anyone who is not an angry, red-faced gammon. The gammons are authoritarian. They think any amount of force is acceptable when the rules have been broken. You can sit on someone's neck until they suffocate if they break a driving law; you can shoot someone who is trespassing on your land; you can startle someone into falling onto a busy highway if they are cycling on a footpath. When the gammons heard about this, their first reaction was to ask: 'was this a shared footpath?' Because if it was, anything was acceptable. Well, that's not how the law works. Everyone is required to react in a proportionate way, even if the law is being broken. You can't shoot a trespasser or suffocate someone to death for breaching the highway code. If you see someone using the footpath as a cycling lane when they shouldn't, you have to respond reasonably. You can't descend on them screaming profanities in a way that is likely to startle them into falling to their death. This is the case even if the cyclist shouldn't have been on the footpath. It is disproportionate. Auriol Grey acted like a red-faced gammon, and the gammons are now rushing to her defence. Which means if you are riding a cycle on a footpath and you see a pedestrian you stop. You do realise they fit brakes to cycles for a reason don't you? You do realise a cycle on a footpath is a potential lethal weapon don't you? You do realise that this woman acted disproportionately, don't you? You do realise the jury had access to all the facts, don't you?
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
Is this what the court case determined? The police and council said they couldn't say it wasn't a shared path or not. So the judge decided it definitely was: cause for appeal #1 The judge (apparently on advice from the police) said it was 2.4 metres wide. Well with a typical car being 1.85 metres wide then looking at this pic of the path, does that seem believable esp considering the incident takes place where narrowed by that pole? Cause for appeal #2 (also note no shared path signs) ITV talked of some sort of signs being on the path 150 metres back from this photo ie way before the road junction so surely not relevant to the new piece of pavement. This is interesting. You could be right when you suggest she is appealing the conviction. So far, all the sources I have been able to find indicate she is appealing the sentence only. Do you have anything to suggest otherwise?
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 10:52:39 GMT
If Auriol Grey appeals the conviction, as opposed to the sentence, the question for the Court of Appeal will be: did she act proportionately? In the same way that they would have to ask if someone acted proportionately by shooting a tresspasser or even a thief on their property. The fact that the footpath was not intended for use by cyclists will not be at the front and centre of the case, because, even if it the cyclist shouldn't have been there, Auriol Grey was not entitled to endanger her life for the minor offense of riding on a footpath.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 8, 2023 13:03:39 GMT
The pavement is not 2.4m wide where the lamp posts are and this lady had cerebal palsy which normally affects motion and balance.
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 13:07:03 GMT
The pavement is not 2.4m wide where the lamp posts are and this lady had cerebal palsy which normally affects motion and balance. Oscar Pistorius had no legs. That also affects motion and balance. Free Oscar Pistorius!! The jury found that her illnesses had no bearing on the case. They, unlike you and rest of us, had access to all the facts. You are second guessing people who had more insight into what actually happened than you have. Don't you see the flaw in that approach? And the question of whether Grey acted proportionately is a question of fact to be decided by the jury. It is the standard of the ordinary reasonable person. The Court of Appeal is extremely reluctant to overrule a jury's finding in these circumstances. So, even if Grey appeals her conviction, as opposed to the sentence, her chances of success are not great.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 8, 2023 13:47:20 GMT
The pavement is not 2.4m wide where the lamp posts are and this lady had cerebal palsy which normally affects motion and balance. Oscar Pistorius had no legs. That also affects motion and balance. Free Oscar Pistorius!! The jury found that her illnesses had no bearing on the case. They, unlike you and rest of us, had access to all the facts. You are second guessing people who had more insight into what actually happened than you have. Don't you see the flaw in that approach? And the question of whether Grey acted proportionately is a question of fact to be decided by the jury. It is the standard of the ordinary reasonable person. The Court of Appeal is extremely reluctant to overrule a jury's finding in these circumstances. So, even if Grey appeals her conviction, as opposed to the sentence, her chances of success are not great. Pistorious had a gun and shot someone, she was not aiming to kill someone just deter them from riding on the pavement. The old lady panicked and fell into the road.
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 13:54:31 GMT
Oscar Pistorius had no legs. That also affects motion and balance. Free Oscar Pistorius!! The jury found that her illnesses had no bearing on the case. They, unlike you and rest of us, had access to all the facts. You are second guessing people who had more insight into what actually happened than you have. Don't you see the flaw in that approach? And the question of whether Grey acted proportionately is a question of fact to be decided by the jury. It is the standard of the ordinary reasonable person. The Court of Appeal is extremely reluctant to overrule a jury's finding in these circumstances. So, even if Grey appeals her conviction, as opposed to the sentence, her chances of success are not great. Pistorious had a gun and shot someone, she was not aiming to kill someone just deter them from riding on the pavement. The old lady panicked and fell into the road. And the question whether Grey was responsible for the old lady's panicking and falling into the road is one for the jury. They looked at the facts of the case and decided that they would not have acted as Grey did in the same circumstances because of the inherent dangers. You may have reached a different conclusion had you been on the jury. But that doesn't matter. You don't have access to all the facts, and, more importantly, your opinion does not overrule those of the jurors.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 8, 2023 14:56:33 GMT
The pavement is not 2.4m wide where the lamp posts are and this lady had cerebal palsy which normally affects motion and balance. Oscar Pistorius had no legs. That also affects motion and balance. Free Oscar Pistorius!! The jury found that her illnesses had no bearing on the case. They, unlike you and rest of us, had access to all the facts. You are second guessing people who had more insight into what actually happened than you have. Don't you see the flaw in that approach? And the question of whether Grey acted proportionately is a question of fact to be decided by the jury. It is the standard of the ordinary reasonable person. The Court of Appeal is extremely reluctant to overrule a jury's finding in these circumstances. So, even if Grey appeals her conviction, as opposed to the sentence, her chances of success are not great Pistorius had a firearm was threatening another who was no threat in return. This woman has a physical and mental disability and appeared threatened by the cycle approaching. I cycle but not as much as I used to,I was cycling on a towpath and two approaching walkers stood aside I said “No you have right of way” got off and let them pass. Does that make me a gammon? Whilst I accept I wasn’t sat in the court nor heard all the evidence but there does appear cause for concern.
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 15:02:15 GMT
Oscar Pistorius had no legs. That also affects motion and balance. Free Oscar Pistorius!! The jury found that her illnesses had no bearing on the case. They, unlike you and rest of us, had access to all the facts. You are second guessing people who had more insight into what actually happened than you have. Don't you see the flaw in that approach? And the question of whether Grey acted proportionately is a question of fact to be decided by the jury. It is the standard of the ordinary reasonable person. The Court of Appeal is extremely reluctant to overrule a jury's finding in these circumstances. So, even if Grey appeals her conviction, as opposed to the sentence, her chances of success are not great Pistorius had a firearm was threatening another who was no threat in return. This woman has a physical and mental disability and appeared treated by the cycle approaching. I cycle but not as much as I used to,I was cycling on a towpath and two approaching walkers stood aside I said “No you have right of way” got off and let them pass. Does that make me a gammon? Whilst I accept I wasn’t sat in the court nor heard all the evidence but there does appear cause for concern. Nonsense. Grey's handicaps were completely irrelevant. Just as Pistorious' were. Her real handicap here was her short temper and her 'territorial' attitude. What makes you think Grey felt threatened? The jury didn't feel that way. Maybe, because the footage shows her determinedly advancing on the cyclist, rather than retreating (as you would expect from a 'threatened person'). The jury came back with the right decision in this case. They recognised that members of the public do not have a charter to endanger lives for trivial breaches of the law. The sentence is another matter entirely. Relative to other cases, a sentence of three years seems severe. The judge attached great weight to the fact that Grey appeared unrepentant. Her lawyers contest that. Her sentence will probably be reduced on appeal.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 8, 2023 15:03:15 GMT
Studies have shown that the average speed of cyclists on shared pathways is 11.4 mph. On the shared pathways on Hampstead Heath there are numerous signs saying the speed limit is 4 mph. In Queensland, Australia the limit is 6 mph.
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 8, 2023 15:05:26 GMT
Studies have shown that the average speed of cyclists on shared pathways is 11.4 mph. On the shared pathways on Hampstead Heath there are numerous signs saying the speed limit is 4 mph. In Queensland, Australia the limit is 6 mph. And the briefest study of the law will show that it is unlawful to act disproportionately in the face of trivial breaches of the law.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 8, 2023 15:43:22 GMT
Pistorius had a firearm was threatening another who was no threat in return. This woman has a physical and mental disability and appeared treated by the cycle approaching. I cycle but not as much as I used to,I was cycling on a towpath and two approaching walkers stood aside I said “No you have right of way” got off and let them pass. Does that make me a gammon? Whilst I accept I wasn’t sat in the court nor heard all the evidence but there does appear cause for concern. Nonsense. Grey's handicaps were completely irrelevant. Just as Pistorious' were. Her real handicap here was her short temper and her 'territorial' attitude. No they’re not irrelevant and comparing her to Pistorius is a diversion. A person with cerebral palsy and mental health problems in a small safe space can feel threatened, especially and as the judge admits there was no evidence showing that the footpath was a shared space Retreat where to? in to the road perhaps the onus was on the cyclist to stop and let her pass.
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