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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 0:05:45 GMT
Ahead of the much awaited deal on Northern Ireland between the UK and the EU ....... Indeed, grow up, you Brexit ultras, purists and ideologues! Stop gaslighting people and stop trying to find excuses for your baby monster! Tesco has run out of tomatoes, for crying out loud! www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/grow-up-and-compromise-on-brexit-hardline-tory-mps-warned/ar-AA17HL9M?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=fad10a9ce7d14d7eab8494c021448108Grow up and compromise on Brexit, hardline Tory MPs warned
HARDLINE pro-Brexit Tory MPs were told on Monday “to grow up and compromise” to help strike a Northern Ireland trade deal.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is facing a backlash from “ultras” in his own party and unionists as he battles to win support for a compromise on the Northern Ireland Protocol. But as MPs returned to Westminster after half term recess, moderate Conservatives urged “ideologues” not to threaten the deal.
Sir Bob Neill ...said: “What we need is pragmatism not dogmatism. It’s ridiculous to take purist points when you have got serious issues about people’s businesses, livelihoods and security. People have to grow up and compromise.”
With the UK facing recession this year and Bank of England chief Jonathan Haskel warning last week that Britain has suffered a loss of business investment since the 2016 referendum worth £29bn, the former minister Stephen Hammond added: “The PM is in process of finalising a deal that will serve the whole of the UK’s interests.
“A small group of ideologues must not threaten a deal which is in the interests of NI businesses and people.”
And Sir David Lidington ... said: “More than six years after the referendum it’s time to put old divisions behind us.”
Mr Sunak is facing his biggest political test since becoming PM as he races to fix the Protocol, which avoids the need for a hard border in Ireland by introducing checks on some goods travelling between GB and NI.
Hard right Tory MPs and the Democratic Unionist Party oppose the Protocol, arguing it drives a wedge between GB and the region, creating costly red tape for businesses.....are concerned about the EU’s insistence on the ultimate oversight of the European Court of Justice on trade disputes which they say undermines UK sovereignty.
After travelling to Northern Ireland on Friday to meet with the region’s political leaders, Mr Sunak met with EU chiefs at the Munich Security Conference over the weekend in a bid to tie up loose ends on a deal which he had hoped to unveil this week.
Jacob Rees-Mogg told the BBC last night: “I think you need to get the DUP on board first and then go and talk to Brussels rather than try and bounce the DUP because the DUP doesn’t respond well to being bounced.”
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Post by Toreador on Feb 24, 2023 6:06:46 GMT
Another yawn.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 24, 2023 6:51:25 GMT
I wondered where the Brussels-bot had gone.
To recharge its batteries!
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 24, 2023 7:53:50 GMT
Whats the issue? - Starmer has already said that Labour will support Sunak to get his Protocol deal through so it doesn't matter how the Unionist Tory MP's vote - they simply don't have the numbers to block a sellout.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 24, 2023 8:25:23 GMT
The DUP has shut down any real governance in NI including decisions on education, health, transport etc and legally by the withdrawal agreement, any decision needs their OK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 8:33:44 GMT
The issue seems to be Rishi Sunak needs the support to come from the ERGs in his party. Unity in disgrace and all that -- prep work for the next GEs to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 12:13:59 GMT
Ahead of the much awaited deal on Northern Ireland between the UK and the EU ....... Indeed, grow up, you Brexit ultras, purists and ideologues! Stop gaslighting people and stop trying to find excuses for your baby monster! Tesco has run out of tomatoes, for crying out loud! www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/grow-up-and-compromise-on-brexit-hardline-tory-mps-warned/ar-AA17HL9M?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=fad10a9ce7d14d7eab8494c021448108Grow up and compromise on Brexit, hardline Tory MPs warned
HARDLINE pro-Brexit Tory MPs were told on Monday “to grow up and compromise” to help strike a Northern Ireland trade deal.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is facing a backlash from “ultras” in his own party and unionists as he battles to win support for a compromise on the Northern Ireland Protocol. But as MPs returned to Westminster after half term recess, moderate Conservatives urged “ideologues” not to threaten the deal.
Sir Bob Neill ...said: “What we need is pragmatism not dogmatism. It’s ridiculous to take purist points when you have got serious issues about people’s businesses, livelihoods and security. People have to grow up and compromise.”
With the UK facing recession this year and Bank of England chief Jonathan Haskel warning last week that Britain has suffered a loss of business investment since the 2016 referendum worth £29bn, the former minister Stephen Hammond added: “The PM is in process of finalising a deal that will serve the whole of the UK’s interests.
“A small group of ideologues must not threaten a deal which is in the interests of NI businesses and people.”
And Sir David Lidington ... said: “More than six years after the referendum it’s time to put old divisions behind us.”
Mr Sunak is facing his biggest political test since becoming PM as he races to fix the Protocol, which avoids the need for a hard border in Ireland by introducing checks on some goods travelling between GB and NI.
Hard right Tory MPs and the Democratic Unionist Party oppose the Protocol, arguing it drives a wedge between GB and the region, creating costly red tape for businesses.....are concerned about the EU’s insistence on the ultimate oversight of the European Court of Justice on trade disputes which they say undermines UK sovereignty.
After travelling to Northern Ireland on Friday to meet with the region’s political leaders, Mr Sunak met with EU chiefs at the Munich Security Conference over the weekend in a bid to tie up loose ends on a deal which he had hoped to unveil this week.
Jacob Rees-Mogg told the BBC last night: “I think you need to get the DUP on board first and then go and talk to Brussels rather than try and bounce the DUP because the DUP doesn’t respond well to being bounced.”
...PM John Major called them "bastards" but in 2016 that view was the majority in this country. Northern Ireland needs to be in the UK and out of the single market. The trade border should be UK/EU, no other. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 25, 2023 7:20:55 GMT
The thing is that the current "virtual border" in the Irish Sea would work fine if the EU policed it like they police all their other borders. But the EU have chosen to be awkward and carry out 20% of their checks on this border when it has 0.1% of all their imports - and they are working to rule and checking every i is dotted and t crossed on the paperwork. This is not what's called "good faith". As I've said before the EU is determined that the price of Brexit is the loss of NI.
In fact the border can perfectly easily be on the island of Ireland. They already have a virtual border there for VAT, currency and customs. And Switzerland has borders with five (IIRC) EU countries with basically no borders, and it's also not in the EU.
The EU are just trying to use NI to make trouble and we should call their bluff.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 25, 2023 7:43:38 GMT
The thing is that the current "virtual border" in the Irish Sea would work fine if the EU policed it like they police all their other borders. But the EU have chosen to be awkward and carry out 20% of their checks on this border when it has 0.1% of all their imports - and they are working to rule and checking every i is dotted and t crossed on the paperwork. This is not what's called "good faith". As I've said before the EU is determined that the price of Brexit is the loss of NI.In fact the border can perfectly easily be on the island of Ireland. They already have a virtual border there for VAT, currency and customs. And Switzerland has borders with five (IIRC) EU countries with basically no borders, and it's also not in the EU. The EU are just trying to use NI to make trouble and we should call their bluff. And that's before the full implementation of the Protocol was ever introduced. It's pointless discussing this with Bot-cultists, their threads shouldn't be indulged. Sometimes I feel like a foodbank with Gnome and his ilk. But they don't need feeding, they need starving. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 7:45:28 GMT
Any land based border between the UK and the EU would destroy the Good Friday peace agreement.
And no one wants to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 10:20:02 GMT
Any land based border between the UK and the EU would destroy the Good Friday peace agreement. And no one wants to do that. There is already a border. A trade border is not denied by the Belfast Agreement, isit? A military border with gun turrets is. As Steppenwolf says, the Belfast Agreement we helped to negotiate for the good of all is now being used against us to create trouble. Why have the I.R.A. started sending messages again? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 18:04:46 GMT
The thing is that the current "virtual border" in the Irish Sea would work fine if the EU policed it like they police all their other borders. But the EU have chosen to be awkward and carry out 20% of their checks on this border when it has 0.1% of all their imports - and they are working to rule and checking every i is dotted and t crossed on the paperwork. This is not what's called "good faith". As I've said before the EU is determined that the price of Brexit is the loss of NI. In fact the border can perfectly easily be on the island of Ireland. They already have a virtual border there for VAT, currency and customs. And Switzerland has borders with five (IIRC) EU countries with basically no borders, and it's also not in the EU. The EU are just trying to use NI to make trouble and we should call their bluff. What do you call the UK's actions of reneging on the agreement, then? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 18:17:27 GMT
The thing is that the current "virtual border" in the Irish Sea would work fine if the EU policed it like they police all their other borders. But the EU have chosen to be awkward and carry out 20% of their checks on this border when it has 0.1% of all their imports - and they are working to rule and checking every i is dotted and t crossed on the paperwork. This is not what's called "good faith". As I've said before the EU is determined that the price of Brexit is the loss of NI.In fact the border can perfectly easily be on the island of Ireland. They already have a virtual border there for VAT, currency and customs. And Switzerland has borders with five (IIRC) EU countries with basically no borders, and it's also not in the EU. The EU are just trying to use NI to make trouble and we should call their bluff. And that's before the full implementation of the Protocol was ever introduced. It's pointless discussing this with Bot-cultists, their threads shouldn't be indulged. Sometimes I feel like a foodbank with Gnome and his ilk. But they don't need feeding, they need starving. Oh, no. This ^ is sad. And ugly. A poster who couldn't successfully argue anything in the past is now an advocate for cancel culture. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 25, 2023 18:25:28 GMT
And that's before the full implementation of the Protocol was ever introduced. It's pointless discussing this with Bot-cultists, their threads shouldn't be indulged. Sometimes I feel like a foodbank with Gnome and his ilk. But they don't need feeding, they need starving. Oh, no. This ^ is sad. And ugly. A poster who couldn't successfully argue anything in the past is now an advocate for cancel culture. There are many things you could suffer as a result of banging your head aginst the Brexit brick wall, better to stop right here rather than continuing yout doom mongering. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 26, 2023 7:40:31 GMT
The thing is that the current "virtual border" in the Irish Sea would work fine if the EU policed it like they police all their other borders. But the EU have chosen to be awkward and carry out 20% of their checks on this border when it has 0.1% of all their imports - and they are working to rule and checking every i is dotted and t crossed on the paperwork. This is not what's called "good faith". As I've said before the EU is determined that the price of Brexit is the loss of NI. In fact the border can perfectly easily be on the island of Ireland. They already have a virtual border there for VAT, currency and customs. And Switzerland has borders with five (IIRC) EU countries with basically no borders, and it's also not in the EU. The EU are just trying to use NI to make trouble and we should call their bluff. What do you call the UK's actions of reneging on the agreement, then? Nobody has reneged on any agreement. If you're referring to Article 16 that was agreed by both parties and allows either party to terminate the Protocol under various conditions. Those conditions have been met and we are entitled to take action. The point is that both parties knew that the NI Protocol wasn't perfect by any means and knew that it would have to be changed. But when the UK pointed out the problems the EU just said they wouldn't negotiate. That's called "bad faith". |
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