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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 17:51:10 GMT
All persons arriving from France by dinghy are illegals. These illegals can be separated into two groups: illegals entitled to an amnesty for illegally entering the UK, and illegals who are not entitled to amnesty and, therefore, subject to prosecution or deportation. Well you say that, but they're not treated like illegals are they. From the moment they step onto an English beach they're treated like honoured guests at a cost of £7 million per day, and thanks to human rights lawyers and the ECtHR the chances of any of them being deported is microscopically small. As I pointed out up the page, the UNHCR definition says a refugee is someone who has crossed an international border to find safety in another country. It does not say a refugee is someone who leaves a safe country, travels through several safe EU states to get to France where under the nose of the police he pays a criminal for a one way dingy ticket to England. That's called taking the piss. Einy, not so long ago the majority of 'refugees' crossing the channel were Iranian, the trend then changed and Albanians were the majority. Although these people make up the majority crossing the channel, they are not under any definition, refugees. Yet thanks to the aforementioned left wing lawyers and the ECtHR it is extremely unlikely they will ever be deported, even if they commit crime in this country. Rubbish, you're making excuses. The reason so many arrive with zero documentation is because they claim to be refugees but they know thanks to UK charities in Calais they cant claim to refugees if they're from a safe country. Hence all ID goes in the channel and 30 year old Afrim from Albania becomes 15 year old Khaled from Syria, it would of course be racist not to believe him. The fact that the vast majority of illegals land on Kent beaches with no ID should suggest to anyone with an IQ in double figures they have something to hide. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2023 18:08:09 GMT
Only 2% of those arriving illegally in small boats have ID documents.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 18:34:38 GMT
Only 2% of those arriving illegally in small boats have ID documents. 2%! Jeez, I didn't think it was many but was unaware it was just 2%. So just 2% are genuine refugees then Einy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 19:05:21 GMT
Only 2% of those arriving illegally in small boats have ID documents. Some won't have documents because they're fake refugees, chancers from countries in which there is no threat to their lives or liberty; some are refugees who don't have documents for the reasons stated above. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 19:06:09 GMT
Only 2% of those arriving illegally in small boats have ID documents. 2%! Jeez, I didn't think it was many but was unaware it was just 2%. So just 2% are genuine refugees then Einy. Is that really how you understood what was explained to you above, Red? Really? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 19:08:58 GMT
2%! Jeez, I didn't think it was many but was unaware it was just 2%. So just 2% are genuine refugees then Einy. Is that really how you understood what was explained to you above, Red? Really? Einy, if just 2% of illegals land on Kent beaches with documentation, how would you interpret it? |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 19:11:09 GMT
Is that really how you understood what was explained to you above, Red? Really? Einy, if just 2% of illegals land on Kent beaches with documentation, how would you interpret it? I've already explained why they don't have documentation, Red. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 19:27:24 GMT
Einy, if just 2% of illegals land on Kent beaches with documentation, how would you interpret it? I've already explained why they don't have documentation, Red. So have I, they want to hide their country of origin, name, criminal record, age. In short, their identity. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 19:29:09 GMT
I've already explained why they don't have documentation, Red. So have I, they want to hide their country of origin, name, criminal record, age. In short, their identity. Yes. Fake refugees do all that stuff, Red. Nobody said they don't. But real refugees often don't have documentation for legitimate reasons. Some of those reasons have been outlined above. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 19:48:00 GMT
So have I, they want to hide their country of origin, name, criminal record, age. In short, their identity. Yes. Fake refugees do all that stuff, Red. Nobody said they don't. But real refugees often don't have documentation for legitimate reasons. Some of those reasons have been outlined above. I understand what you're getting at Einy. You're saying that not all those crossing the channel are criminals, that some are genuine refugees. This is where you and I fundamentally disagree. I say they are all criminals, every single one of them. Because as I've said previously, they have paid criminals to get from safe country A, to safe country B. The only reason left wing lawyers succeed in keeping these criminals in this country is because for some unfathomable reason the government insist on applying 1950's law made in the wake of WW2, to a 21st century problem. It's madness. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 20:56:29 GMT
Yes. Fake refugees do all that stuff, Red. Nobody said they don't. But real refugees often don't have documentation for legitimate reasons. Some of those reasons have been outlined above. I understand what you're getting at Einy. You're saying that not all those crossing the channel are criminals, that some are genuine refugees. This is where you and I fundamentally disagree. I say they are all criminals, every single one of them. Because as I've said previously, they have paid criminals to get from safe country A, to safe country B. The only reason left wing lawyers succeed in keeping these criminals in this country is because for some unfathomable reason the government insist on applying 1950's law made in the wake of WW2, to a 21st century problem. It's madness. They are criminals on whom international law confers an amnesty because they are also refugees. Article 44 of the Convention allows all signatories to leave the Convention on one year's notice. Maybe the government will trigger Article 44. I doubt it, though. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2023 22:28:04 GMT
Only 2% of those arriving illegally in small boats have ID documents. Some won't have documents because they're fake refugees, chancers from countries in which there is no threat to their lives or liberty; some won't have documents for the reasons stated above. Well the reality is that pretty much 100% do not carry identity documents - which is a lower rate than the indigenous population of the UK where the carrying of ID is not a legal requirement. Scam? |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2023 22:29:27 GMT
So have I, they want to hide their country of origin, name, criminal record, age. In short, their identity. Yes. Fake refugees do all that stuff, Red. Nobody said they don't. But real refugees often don't have documentation for legitimate reasons. Some of those reasons have been outlined above. how many 'real' refugees do we get in the UK every year? |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 22:38:43 GMT
Some won't have documents because they're fake refugees, chancers from countries in which there is no threat to their lives or liberty; some won't have documents for the reasons stated above. Well the reality is that pretty much 100% do not carry identity documents - which is a lower rate than the indigenous population of the UK where the carrying of ID is not a legal requirement. Scam? Yep, some are scamming. Some aren't. The absence of documents is not an indicator that an applicant is scamming (for the reasons outlined). |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 17, 2023 22:40:22 GMT
Yes. Fake refugees do all that stuff, Red. Nobody said they don't. But real refugees often don't have documentation for legitimate reasons. Some of those reasons have been outlined above. how many 'real' refugees do we get in the UK every year? I think I read on this forum that most of the people arriving in dinghies have their asylum applications accepted. So, that many, I suppose. |
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