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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 11:05:15 GMT
Can't see removing the cap on energy in April going down very well with voters. I expect you're right. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 11:07:47 GMT
How do you delete a double post? Settings button, the little cog, on the right gives you a delete option. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 11:08:05 GMT
Yeah, only six months help on energy bills. Need to end the war in Ukraine as it is the only way to cut bills before help I expect. I didn't comment either way. I think a more targeted approach to helping people with heating bills is sensible, as would scrapping all this net-zero nonsense. But Hunts announcement sounded more like something you would expect to hear from a Labour chancellor. We all need help when bills could quadruple Red. Only Labours idea of turning us into a big fuck off windmill will do. This hasn't much to do with heating and everything to do with keeping the lights on right now. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 17, 2022 11:08:25 GMT
What has happened is the Tory paying membership decided the next PM.
I suggest at least 60% of these Tory members were businessman interested in paying less tax and so we got Truss.
She was flushed with a chance to showcase her low tax ideology and misread the markets.
The markets will jump on any chance to make money and our figures were not good.
Hunt will realign the economic policy and then we see if she can survive.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 11:13:52 GMT
I didn't comment either way. I think a more targeted approach to helping people with heating bills is sensible, as would scrapping all this net-zero nonsense. But Hunts announcement sounded more like something you would expect to hear from a Labour chancellor. We all need help when bills could quadruple Red. Only Labours idea of turning us into a big fuck off windmill will do. This hasn't much to do with heating and everything to do with keeping the lights on right now. Ref heating bills, the chancellor hinted he may come up with something else. Tbh I think it's a no brainer. It will be too close to a general election for him not to come up with 'something'. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 11:20:29 GMT
We all need help when bills could quadruple Red. Only Labours idea of turning us into a big fuck off windmill will do. This hasn't much to do with heating and everything to do with keeping the lights on right now. Ref heating bills, the chancellor hinted he may come up with something else. Tbh I think it's a no brainer. It will be too close to a general election for him not to come up with 'something'. They will come up with something, but it will have to be something we could afford and as such it won't touch the sides. The idea this crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine (not aimed at you), is a joke. Ukraine will soon enough hit a brick wall, Russia will train up their reservists and then we will be left with high bills and a shit load of dead Ukrainians. Rather than play these pissing contests, end the war, increase the gas in the market and cut the bills that way. Everything else is like using a bucket on the Titanic to stop it sinking. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2022 11:24:11 GMT
How do you delete a double post? Settings button, the little cog, on the right gives you a delete option. Thanks Red  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 11:30:16 GMT
Ref heating bills, the chancellor hinted he may come up with something else. Tbh I think it's a no brainer. It will be too close to a general election for him not to come up with 'something'. They will come up with something, but it will have to be something we could afford and as such it won't touch the sides. The idea this crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine (not aimed at you), is a joke. Ukraine will soon enough hit a brick wall, Russia will train up their reservists and then we will be left with high bills and a shit load of dead Ukrainians. Rather than play these pissing contests, end the war, increase the gas in the market and cut the bills that way. Everything else is like using a bucket on the Titanic to stop it sinking. This stands a very real chance of talking the thread off on a tangent, however. Yes of course Ukraine is at the centre of the crisis, but that's because Europe and to a lesser extent the UK, were reliant on Russian gas. Putin actions combined with net-zero have massively increased the price of gas which affects everything. We could help ourselves a lot more if the government binned this net-zero nonsense. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 17, 2022 11:31:16 GMT
So how come the gas price started climbing in May 2021 9 months before the invasion?
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Post by Equivocal on Oct 17, 2022 11:31:29 GMT
As I pointed out earlier - tax increases mean less growth.. Less growth does not equal success.. Similarly, I'd guess that those on average incomes will rein in spending with the prospect of massive energy hikes from April. That would certainly hinder growth. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 11:33:02 GMT
So how come the gas price started climbing in May 2021 9 months before the invasion? What about the cliff edge the day they invaded. Just be grateful they dropped a little lately. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 11:44:20 GMT
So how come the gas price started climbing in May 2021 9 months before the invasion? Maybe someone knew something we didn't. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2022 11:48:24 GMT
So how come the gas price started climbing in May 2021 9 months before the invasion? Maybe someone knew something we didn't. True, apparently a week or so 'before' the 9/11 attack the World stock markets were making 'strange' moves, in other words the ones behind it knew what stocks would go up and what would go down right after a attack of that nature, it's one way of getting a notion some big event might be happening. Putin would of course been able to work that out given he knew the exact timing of his Ukraine war. |
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Post by borchester on Oct 17, 2022 11:56:54 GMT
Well, at least Berkeley won't be PM any time soon, although to be honest, not being the brightest bulb in the box, he probably doesn't realise that.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 18, 2022 17:06:42 GMT
So how come the gas price started climbing in May 2021 9 months before the invasion? Heating oil prices trebled from August 2021 to somewhere in October 2021, they're still double the last August price. When I asked, about a year ago, my oil provider said that one of the major refiners was in financial trouble; I've never found out the truth of that. |
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