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Post by Bentley on Feb 20, 2023 12:01:45 GMT
That is the problem when trying to debate with Left Wing Extremists full of hate and envy, eventually they actually believe their own lies , the forget they lied in the first place  Harsh but fair đ |
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Post by see2 on Feb 20, 2023 12:04:51 GMT
The content is what she said. It seems that you do not understand what 'context' means. There is a context where it is OK to call people 'scum' The point where you have butted in is about who the comment was aimed at. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 20, 2023 12:06:10 GMT
There is a context where it is OK to call people 'scum' The point where you have butted in is about who the comment was aimed at. It was aimed at people đ |
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2023 12:06:27 GMT
I make no apologies for defending anyone from attack by false instrument. You on the other hand just like attacking people It wasn't a one off though was it? She is well known for using very hostile language (especially against Starmer) including this classic LIVE ON TV: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMWhsgX1yqU" A fair one off about one politician (Chris Clarkson) acting badly is hardly proof of calling all Tories 'scum' |
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2023 12:08:31 GMT
The content is what she said. It seems that you do not understand what 'context' means. There is no other âcontext âto consider. You merely making desperate excuses for your own inadequacy . So finally you agree with what I said. Shame you couldn't apologise for all the shite you through when you were pushing a false line. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 20, 2023 12:12:41 GMT
That is the problem when trying to debate with Left Wing Extremists full of hate and envy, eventually they actually believe their own lies , the forget they lied in the first place To a large extent I agree with your post, which is why I stick with the moderate left, even though I get lots of aggravation from the hard left for it. Mind you IMO nothing distorts the truth better than or more than Right-wing propaganda, which I think is the basis of the point under discussion  |
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Post by see2 on Feb 20, 2023 12:14:16 GMT
The point where you have butted in is about who the comment was aimed at. It was aimed at people đ Come back when you have opened your mind up. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 20, 2023 12:22:56 GMT
She called the government scum. There is no other âcontext âto consider. You merely making desperate excuses for your own inadequacy . So finally you agree with what I said. Shame you couldn't apologise for all the shite you through when you were pushing a false line. Bullshit. You were the one pushing the â Etonianâ line . Any decent person with two brain cells will see that by calling the WHOLE Tory governmentâ scumâ she is insulting the people who voted for them. We didnât even get far enough to consider this because of your idiotic claim that the word â Etonianâ was the centre point if her comment . Shane you couldnât apologise for it instead of projecting it at me . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 20, 2023 12:23:41 GMT
It was aimed at people đ Come back when you have opened your mind up. Oh the irony đ |
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Post by see2 on Feb 20, 2023 12:25:35 GMT
The context was what she said . She called the government scum. There is no other context other than you and Stevie fumbling to reframe her insult to suit your simping. You are correct , this taken from the Guardian at the time is what she said at the Labour Party Conference . Angela Rayner has stood by her description of the Conservatives as âhomophobic, racist, misogynistic ⌠scumâ after the Labour leader distanced himself from her words. On Sunday, amid tensions with Starmer over the partyâs proposed rule changes, the deputy Labour leader declined to apologise for her remarks, which were made at a Labour conference reception the day before. â We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile ⌠banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian ⌠piece of scum,â she said at the event, before adding that she had âheld back a littleâ. In talking about those who actually govern i.e. Boris and his close crew, its looks like she may have hit the nail on the head, even if she was a bit OTT. There could be no benefit or accuracy in referring to all Tory MPs in that way, because as we know many Tory MPs are perfectly decent hard working people genuinely committed to improving the nation. And they didn't all go to Eton. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2023 12:27:25 GMT
So finally you agree with what I said. Shame you couldn't apologise for all the shite you through when you were pushing a false line. Bullshit. You were the one pushing the â Etonianâ line . Any decent person with two brain cells will see that by calling the WHOLE Tory governmentâ scumâ she is insulting the people who voted for them. We didnât even get far enough to consider this because of your idiotic claim that the word â Etonianâ was the centre point if her comment . Shane you couldnât apologise for it instead of projecting it at me . You were offensively pushing the false 'she called all Tories scum' line. A reminder ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/59365/thread Finally you admit it was only the then Etonian loaded government but of course you don't apologise and then try to change the facts. Well tough luck, the evidence is there on the record |
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Post by see2 on Feb 20, 2023 12:27:29 GMT
Come back when you have opened your mind up. Oh the irony đ Says the man who is unable to see the issue clearly and has NO proof of his claim, just his opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 20, 2023 12:33:19 GMT
Bullshit. You were the one pushing the â Etonianâ line . Any decent person with two brain cells will see that by calling the WHOLE Tory governmentâ scumâ she is insulting the people who voted for them. We didnât even get far enough to consider this because of your idiotic claim that the word â Etonianâ was the centre point if her comment . Shane you couldnât apologise for it instead of projecting it at me . You were offensively pushing the false 'she called all Tories scum' line. A reminder ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/59365/thread Finally you admit it was only the then Etonian loaded government but of course you don't apologise and then try to change the facts. Well tough luck, the evidence is there on the record It was the government not the Etonians . It was Tory MPs and by association the people who voted for them. If you insist on pushing this dishonest bullshit line , you will lose what ever credibility you still have and have to stand on the naughty step with silly see2. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2023 12:34:16 GMT
You've been shown to be at best disingenuous on this James. Can't be arsed pointing it out again.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 20, 2023 12:34:25 GMT
Says the man who is unable to see the issue clearly and has NO proof of his claim, just his opinion. If you had a working brain then you would not insist on defending the indefensible. |
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