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Post by Steve on Feb 18, 2023 10:51:44 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Feb 18, 2023 11:01:42 GMT
It was pretty shit when we were members too. Remember the days when Ford made cars here? Did Brexit cause Ford to move out?  Nope. Remember when we had serious chocolate factories here ?? Did Brexit cause Cadbury's to move to Poland? Nope. Did Brexit start industrial decline here? ?? No. It was already happening and EU membership was not working for manufacturers. They were losing their jobs to cheaper parts of the EU, and also China. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 18, 2023 11:38:08 GMT
And yet no conclusive proof that it is all the fault of Brexit. Even the BBC are clever enough here not to make the almighty assumption you and others have jumped to. In your world there are no variables and Brexit is to blame. This is lame even for you. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 18, 2023 11:41:31 GMT
If you want to see an upswing in the British economy, invest in British businesses. Foreigners seem keen - which might not be a good thing.  |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 18, 2023 11:57:14 GMT
It would be good news if the source weren't so self confessed and proud supporter of leaving the EU.
And if you posted current information, not from 2 years ago.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 18, 2023 12:46:51 GMT
FYI Germany is the world’s leading FDI destination Germany received 1,537 FDI projects in 2021, making it the top investment destination globally. Although it experienced a slight decrease (-1.9%) in investment levels compared to 2020, Germany was able to eclipse the US, which suffered a more substantial 11% decline. www.investmentmonitor.ai/fdi-data/fdi-in-europe-in-2021-the-state-of-play/Additionally your chart didn't indicate whether it represented total investment, in what currency, or whether it was change from the previous year. In fact your chart was about the number of investments. Not what they are worth. Happily UK had about 47% growth in fdi in 2022 but that is not the same as total fdi. But it is in the right direction. Most of it was in renewable energy. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 18, 2023 14:43:36 GMT
Wasn't in 2021 for new investments, as the graph shows.
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2023 0:49:45 GMT
It was pretty shit when we were members too. Remember the days when Ford made cars here? Did Brexit cause Ford to move out? Nope. Remember when we had serious chocolate factories here Did Brexit cause Cadbury's to move to Poland? Nope. Did Brexit start industrial decline here? No. It was already happening and EU membership was not working for manufacturers. They were losing their jobs to cheaper parts of the EU, and also China. And the evidence is it's got shittier after Brexit. Well done, you must be so proud of the harm you've caused. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 19, 2023 2:13:44 GMT
But there's no evidence that that was because of Brexit.
Remember, things have got shitter all over the world.
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2023 2:31:40 GMT
You've had the evidence with the correlation. Lack of absolute 100.00% proof is not lack of evidence.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 19, 2023 2:42:51 GMT
There's a whole load of countries in shit situations, correlation ?
Covid + war in Ukraine.
A few things could be blamed on our even higher than the EU's high tariffs situation, but that's the Tories, not the referendum itself.
They didn't give us active involvement over our tariff policy. Or for that matter our revised relationship with the EU.
The decision to leave, that has been implemented.
We're out, so that's a success.
If we were still in, that would be a failure.
We have a zero tariff zero quota treaty with the EU.
But there are still tariffs on others, and our tariffs on US goods are worse than they were in the 2010s.
It's ok to be unhappy with the current government's policies though.
There are customs checks and those checks result in hold ups.
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2023 2:48:15 GMT
But look at the relative performance compared to comparable nations.
Anyway Jimmy Anderson has got that last wicket so I'm off now
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Post by Vinny on Feb 19, 2023 9:03:25 GMT
Performance can be affected by taxation, energy prices, supply shortages, and in every country in the democratic world, there are struggles.
Our taxes are very high.
Our energy prices are very high.
Partial divestment from our own production of fuel and electricity has left us particularly vulnerable. We'd still be in extremely bad shape if we'd stayed in the EU.
What we need to do is address energy prices and business rates, force pub companies to give tied pubs a better deal and also cut corporation tax. Reduce the cost of business and the cost of living.
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2023 10:29:32 GMT
Yes there are loads of lines you can parrot from the Observer's boof of Excuses but the evidence really is building up that Brexit is a failure
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 19, 2023 12:33:27 GMT
True.
If everyone's economy is growing faster than the UK's, they are obviously doing more business elsewhere, including the EU.
Which again proves another Leavers lie, that "they need us more than we need them". A pithy little phrase you can almost march to.
It was always Britcentric arrogance with a large spoonful of false patriotism.
The idea that the entire EU economy rested on the trade it did with the UK was one of the biggest whoppers in the campaign. The idea that so many believed it was one of the most revealing markers of the general awareness of Leave voters.
Happily the better more honest of them are now admitting their mistake, which frankly was only believing politicians with vested interests. IOW lying self obsessed politicians who thought leaving the EU would restore the freedoms the UK had before it lost its Empire.
Except the world doesn't work like that anymore.
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Nope. 
