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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:03:23 GMT
America wasn't anti-China, and is actually China's biggest customer.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 13, 2023 16:35:01 GMT
America wasn't anti-China, and is actually China's biggest customer. They made friends back in the time of Nixon in 72. In 2014 China ended up with the record of the most powerful computer in the world. This scared the wits out of the Pentagon so the first round of sanctions commenced, which was the banning of super computer processors (Xenon I think it was). Now the US has rowed back on the free trade agreements they had. They don't play the market now but employ heavy duty protectionism. Mind you they screwed up the Japs a few decades earlier, so I guess it was kind of expected. They can't seem to crack China though, much as they try. The general view over that way is they will cause themselves to fall back further in the competitive global free trade market, because they put their effort into fighting rather than improving their products. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 16:50:49 GMT
America wasn't anti-China, and is actually China's biggest customer. They made friends back in the time of Nixon in 72. In 2014 China ended up with the record of the most powerful computer in the world. This scared the wits out of the Pentagon so the first round of sanctions commenced, which was the banning of super computer processors (Xenon I think it was). Now the US has rowed back on the free trade agreements they had. They don't play the market now but employ heavy duty protectionism. Mind you they screwed up the Japs a few decades earlier, so I guess it was kind of expected. They can't seem to crack China though, much as they try. The general view over that way is they will cause themselves to fall back further in the competitive global free trade market, because they put their effort into fighting rather than improving their products. They were encouraging investment into China on the premise that China will become more relaxed in the global markets whilst enjoying the perks of cheaper manufacturing (basically to suit American interests). Xi tightened his authoritarian grip which pushed them into a conflict of interests.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 13, 2023 21:45:58 GMT
Loads of questions
I'll have a go at this one though.
It's difficult to say. There is only one important country in that region, and that is China. China is the world's second largest economy and destined to become the world's largest. You can't stop this from happening - point number one. The question boils down to would the UK be able to get a better trading deal with China outside of the EU compared to the EU without us, to the state where we are back in the EU and try and a bloc.
Well things are changing. The problem is alignment to the US. China is very tentative about states that don't make their own decisions but simply take orders from the US, which they know would lead to trouble, as has occurred many times. As it is right now we are totally subservient the US and the EU is breaking away from it after they blew up their pipeline. So what we have in the EU is the institution as a whole is led by Ursula von der Leyen who is a US plant, and yet major countries like France, Germany, Netherlands are trying to form closer ties. I'd include Hungary here as well, but that's one where the leader is pretty anti-EU anyway. Germany and France though are the backbone of it.
So looking at how things may turn out, if the EU splits from the US then it will form a close relationship with China and get a good free trade agreement. The way each successive prime minister in the UK since Cameron has been anti-China due to being pro-US (May was about half and half) and all the party leaders are similarly aligned, I think we could do far worse in China. It would take someone like Cameron/Osborne to go over there and chat them up and say hey guys, we're not working on Maggie's Farm no more and would like to be friends. If we did we would see some juicy contracts pushed out way. Waht I'm saying is we asa nation are our worst enemies. We beat ourselves up.
When it means the Pacific Region, it means the CPTPP. Something China wants to join but been refused. Britain wants to join this too. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2023 21:56:04 GMT
CPTPP would be bad news for the UK. It only adds low wage economies to the countries we already have FTAs with. So it's a recipe for exporting even more UK jobs
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 13, 2023 22:17:16 GMT
They made friends back in the time of Nixon in 72. In 2014 China ended up with the record of the most powerful computer in the world. This scared the wits out of the Pentagon so the first round of sanctions commenced, which was the banning of super computer processors (Xenon I think it was). Now the US has rowed back on the free trade agreements they had. They don't play the market now but employ heavy duty protectionism. Mind you they screwed up the Japs a few decades earlier, so I guess it was kind of expected. They can't seem to crack China though, much as they try. The general view over that way is they will cause themselves to fall back further in the competitive global free trade market, because they put their effort into fighting rather than improving their products. They were encouraging investment into China on the premise that China will become more relaxed in the global markets whilst enjoying the perks of cheaper manufacturing (basically to suit American interests). Xi tightened his authoritarian grip which pushed them into a conflict of interests.
Actually the opposite is happening and China is opening up its markets. It was the US government interference which caused the trouble. American firms have bitterly complained, especially in the tech sector. They have lost a huge amount of business. China imported $400bn of chips each year from the US, and now it has to make its own. If we want to do business with China we must show them we are not up the US' arse. This is the point of contention. A big no no is stay out of the Taiwan politics. It has nothing to do with us or the US what they decide to do together. Due to the US interference in Taiwan, China has cancelled all business with Boeing. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 13, 2023 22:21:46 GMT
Loads of questions
I'll have a go at this one though.
It's difficult to say. There is only one important country in that region, and that is China. China is the world's second largest economy and destined to become the world's largest. You can't stop this from happening - point number one. The question boils down to would the UK be able to get a better trading deal with China outside of the EU compared to the EU without us, to the state where we are back in the EU and try and a bloc.
Well things are changing. The problem is alignment to the US. China is very tentative about states that don't make their own decisions but simply take orders from the US, which they know would lead to trouble, as has occurred many times. As it is right now we are totally subservient the US and the EU is breaking away from it after they blew up their pipeline. So what we have in the EU is the institution as a whole is led by Ursula von der Leyen who is a US plant, and yet major countries like France, Germany, Netherlands are trying to form closer ties. I'd include Hungary here as well, but that's one where the leader is pretty anti-EU anyway. Germany and France though are the backbone of it.
So looking at how things may turn out, if the EU splits from the US then it will form a close relationship with China and get a good free trade agreement. The way each successive prime minister in the UK since Cameron has been anti-China due to being pro-US (May was about half and half) and all the party leaders are similarly aligned, I think we could do far worse in China. It would take someone like Cameron/Osborne to go over there and chat them up and say hey guys, we're not working on Maggie's Farm no more and would like to be friends. If we did we would see some juicy contracts pushed out way. Waht I'm saying is we asa nation are our worst enemies. We beat ourselves up.
When it means the Pacific Region, it means the CPTPP. Something China wants to join but been refused. Britain wants to join this too. I can't see that organisation doing much due to the reason it was created in the first place. Word has it that the important one is ASEAN. |
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