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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2023 14:36:55 GMT
Brexit is not the cause of Putin invading Ukraine. But it is one factor that shows a weakening of European cohesion. What's worrying is there are many here, so entrenched in their own dogma, that they cannot see that Putin is emboldened and strengthened by all and any disagreement and split among western nations and organisations.
Look at the others who fuelled the unrest that resulted in Brexit — Trump, Farage, Johnson and their personal connections...
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Post by Bentley on Feb 1, 2023 15:36:57 GMT
Brexit is not the cause of Putin invading Ukraine. But it is one factor that shows a weakening of European cohesion. What's worrying is there are many here, so entrenched in their own dogma, that they cannot see that Putin is emboldened and strengthened by all and any disagreement and split among western nations and organisations. Look at the others who fuelled the unrest that resulted in Brexit — Trump, Farage, Johnson and their personal connections... There was no weakening of cohesion through Brexit . Unless you believe that the EU is a quasi federal state . The EU did not react to the Russian invasion as one anyway. If anything Putin would of been emboldened by Germany being dependent on Russian energy and Macron toadying up to Putin at the end of a long table . Its ironic that the people who whine about Trump are spreading fake news. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 1, 2023 16:58:14 GMT
Well, if the arch-remainiac BBC are to be believed, verhofstadts fantasy suffers a serious hole in the bucket flaw.
It’s all very well to dream of a United European Army waging a United European war but was the big problem in recent weeks not the reluctance of Germany to authorise use of the Leopard tanks against Russian invaders, a decision it alone can make owing to the terms and conditions of sale.
Said reluctance being, according to the bbc, down to how the Jews and yanks would react.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2023 17:33:54 GMT
Brexit is not the cause of Putin invading Ukraine. But it is one factor that shows a weakening of European cohesion. What's worrying is there are many here, so entrenched in their own dogma, that they cannot see that Putin is emboldened and strengthened by all and any disagreement and split among western nations and organisations. Look at the others who fuelled the unrest that resulted in Brexit — Trump, Farage, Johnson and their personal connections... Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 18:14:49 GMT
Brexit is not the cause of Putin invading Ukraine. But it is one factor that shows a weakening of European cohesion. What's worrying is there are many here, so entrenched in their own dogma, that they cannot see that Putin is emboldened and strengthened by all and any disagreement and split among western nations and organisations. Look at the others who fuelled the unrest that resulted in Brexit — Trump, Farage, Johnson and their personal connections... Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. Good point, well made. @gnome and Einhorn, please tell Verhofstad please take note. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 1, 2023 18:37:58 GMT
Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. Good point, well made. @gnome and Einhorn , please tell Verhofstad please take note. Thanks for the shout out. But you don't need me and Gnome - any one of the 65% will do. |
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Post by sword on Feb 1, 2023 21:51:17 GMT
Brexit had nothing to do with the War but the EU did.
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Post by sword on Feb 1, 2023 21:53:03 GMT
Brexit is not the cause of Putin invading Ukraine. But it is one factor that shows a weakening of European cohesion. What's worrying is there are many here, so entrenched in their own dogma, that they cannot see that Putin is emboldened and strengthened by all and any disagreement and split among western nations and organisations. Look at the others who fuelled the unrest that resulted in Brexit — Trump, Farage, Johnson and their personal connections... Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. No he didn't,any actual footage of this invasion in 2014? jets tanks thousands of troops etc,thats the sort of bullshit that starts wars. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2023 22:01:45 GMT
Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. No he didn't,any actual footage of this invasion in 2014? jets tanks thousands of troops etc,thats the sort of bullshit that starts wars. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2023 22:46:53 GMT
Brexit is not the cause of Putin invading Ukraine. But it is one factor that shows a weakening of European cohesion. What's worrying is there are many here, so entrenched in their own dogma, that they cannot see that Putin is emboldened and strengthened by all and any disagreement and split among western nations and organisations. Look at the others who fuelled the unrest that resulted in Brexit — Trump, Farage, Johnson and their personal connections... Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. So all anti EU activity major contended with was Scotch mist? Probably best if you came back and joined the debate when you’ve got your argument and dates sorted… |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 2, 2023 7:51:08 GMT
Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 - when the UK was in the EU. So all anti EU activity major contended with was Scotch mist? Probably best if you came back and joined the debate when you’ve got your argument and dates sorted… Dont have a clue what that word salad is supposed to represent - the unhelpful fact (for you and Verhofstadt) is that the UK being in the EU was no deterrent to Russian invasion. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 2, 2023 8:39:37 GMT
The reason that Russia invaded Ukraine was because the EU were obviously warming to the idea giving Ukraine EU membership. Also NATO membership was on the cards. The EU should have kyboshed both but didn't. This was always liable to lead to a very dangerous war.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2023 10:10:56 GMT
Whilst some of us were warning about the threat posed by Putin, the likes of Vehrofstadt, Merkel et al were cozying up to Putin, getting Nordsteam pipelines built and running down the European Union's energy production in favour of dictatorship oil and gas and coal.
They should not be let off the hook.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 2, 2023 10:16:59 GMT
Whilst some of us were warning about the threat posed by Putin, the likes of Vehrofstadt, Merkel et al were cozying up to Putin, getting Nordsteam pipelines built and running down the European Union's energy production in favour of dictatorship oil and gas and coal. They should not be let off the hook. Exactly . The EU encouraged the invasion by dangling EU membership at Ukraine . EU countries made themselves vulnerable by depending on Russian energy ( not the UK) and somehow ex remainers want to swallow the lie that Brexit was a major factor in the Russian invasion . |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2023 10:32:43 GMT
The Ukrainians were also encouraged by EU members to run down their military and appease Putin with the Minsk talks.
That bought him time to prepare for full scale invasion without facing massive international sanctions.
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