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Post by jonksy on Jan 31, 2023 0:48:19 GMT
Oh ffs will you grow a pair. We're in this mess because limp wristed lefties insist the Albanian mafia are refugees. That will be the day mate. He is total woke lefty tosser.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 31, 2023 7:06:43 GMT
So Jonksy you are still too dim to realise there are real asylum cases in those people...
Yes, a vanishingly small minority. The rest are just criminals.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 31, 2023 7:29:13 GMT
So Jonksy you are still too dim to realise there are real asylum cases in those people and you want them to starve to death. It's not their fault your beloved government has never got its arse in gear to separate real cases from the criminals. But not as fucking dim as you. If they were genuine they would use the proper procedure to enter the UK rather than risk their own mortality and pay some wanker for the priviledge......It it not the UK governments fault that your beloved EUSSR usher these arseholes through safe states and countries to foist them off on the UK......All your faux concern is just total well worn lefty woke bollocks. So if they came over on the channel ferry and produced a passport in Dover to claim asylum you'd be OK then?
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Post by Handyman on Jan 31, 2023 7:58:06 GMT
If they did do that and produced a genuine passport they would have entered the UK Lawfully , and could be assessed more easily if they asked for Asylum and a decision could be made to allow them the right to remain for a set period of time or not.
But last year alone at least 40,000 that crossed the Channel and landed on the South Coast unlawfully with little or no documentation at all, there are many thousands of alleged Asylum seekers waiting to be assessed, we are not sure who they are where they come from or what they are
We are now the most densely populated Country in Europe , the population is now 67 million and rising, we cannot house our own people many of whom have been living in temporary accommodation for years and years waiting to be allocated social housing, or living in run down unhealthy overcrowded flats, B&B, or living on the streets as they cannot afford to rent a place as the rents are sky high.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 31, 2023 8:03:47 GMT
But not as fucking dim as you. If they were genuine they would use the proper procedure to enter the UK rather than risk their own mortality and pay some wanker for the priviledge......It it not the UK governments fault that your beloved EUSSR usher these arseholes through safe states and countries to foist them off on the UK......All your faux concern is just total well worn lefty woke bollocks. So if they came over on the channel ferry and produced a passport in Dover to claim asylum you'd be OK then? What part of using the proper procedure is it that eludes you? I have no problem if their lives are in danger from where they come from ie the country they left.... but thse wankers put their own lives in danger......I knew you would soon pop up with all your faux concerns and lefty bollocks.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 31, 2023 8:11:07 GMT
So if they came over on the channel ferry and produced a passport in Dover to claim asylum you'd be OK then? What part of using the proper procedure is it that eludes you? I have no problem if their lives are in danger from where they come from ie the country they left.... but thse wankers put their own lives in danger......I knew you would soon pop up with all your faux concerns and lefty bollocks. I didn't profess an opinion, so what I wrote did not contain a bias. I merely asked you a question, which unsurprisingly you were unable to answer.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 31, 2023 8:15:08 GMT
What part of using the proper procedure is it that eludes you? I have no problem if their lives are in danger from where they come from ie the country they left.... but thse wankers put their own lives in danger......I knew you would soon pop up with all your faux concerns and lefty bollocks. I didn't profess an opinion, so what I wrote did not contain a bias. I merely asked you a question, which unsurprisingly you were unable to answer. Yawwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn........I gave you an answer.....It seems everyone else understood it but you.......So no change there then........Does your mummy know you are on her computer?
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Post by jonksy on Jan 31, 2023 8:18:30 GMT
Listened to some lefty on GB News who agreed that the amount of pocket money given to illegals is disgraceful, he said it should be more! And these are the wankers who say we don't do enough for our own who are stuggling mate......The good old lefty money tree yet again.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 31, 2023 8:20:39 GMT
So Jonksy you are still too dim to realise there are real asylum cases in those people...
Yes, a vanishingly small minority. The rest are just criminals.
Yes the Albanians that cross the channel are not genuine Asylum Seekers at all they are not fleeing from their home country as they in no danger from their own Government, except when they can't bribe their way out of going to prison, they are being sent back , well the ones we can find that is, the rest are well at it involved in all sorts or criminal ventures including people smuggling ducking and diving gone to ground.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 31, 2023 8:33:08 GMT
Here is Migration Watch views
The issue is the huge and rising scale of immigration (a record 1.1 million residence visas were granted to non-UK nationals in year to mid-2022 -
Immigration added around seven million to the UK population in the two decades up to 2020 – accounting for over four-fifths of total growth
Mass immigration places mounting pressure on already-overstretched public services. There were nearly 700,000 new GP registrations by migrants in 2019/20
Record immigration requires a home to be built in England every five minutes to meet the skyrocketing demand for homes
An extensive body of research has consistently found that immigration is a huge cost to the UK Treasury (£13 billion per year - UCL study, 2014/15) – with non-EU immigration (which is presently the fastest rising tranche of immigration) having the biggest fiscal costs
Six in ten of the public support reducing immigration (Deltapoll) and nearly 8 in 10 say the government is handling immigration poorly
Demos found in 2018 that about three-quarters of the public considered that immigration had increased divisions
Politicians’ repeated promises to reduce and control immigration have been blatantly abandoned and betrayed, harming voter trust and democracy itself.
1. Immigration is a natural part of an open economy and society. The problem is that the current level of immigration into the UK is much too high. In the year to June 2022, there were 1.1 million visas granted to foreign nationals to come and live in the UK – by far the highest on record (and about equivalent to the population of Britain’s second largest city Birmingham).
Meanwhile, the most recent ONS figures issued (for the year to June 2021) put the level of net immigration at 239,000 per year. The authorities have shown themselves unable or unwilling to ensure that our borders are protected and secure, with more than 100,000 people having entered the country via illegal means in just under five years. The level of immigration needs to be reduced and proper and effective control of the UK border must be restored.
The crux of the debate is not ‘immigration: yes or no’? The key questions are whether immigration is benefiting the country, whether it is running at a level which is acceptable to ordinary citizens and whether it is being controlled in a lawful manner. A country has the right to decide who to allow in. All countries have border controls and all face legitimate questions over who to admit and who to turn away. The key questions are about who and how many people are good for our economy and society.
As is befitting an organisation that is chaired by a first-generation migrant , we know only too well that most migrants come here for an admirable reason, to try to better their lives. Many of those from overseas make a positive contribution to our society, including entrepreneurs, artists, medical staff and scientists. However, as many migrants themselves recognise, the UK is already a very crowded place by international standards, and the current pace of immigration-driven population growth is placing serious pressure on our roads, trains, hospitals, GP surgeries, schools and natural resources – all of which are struggling to cope.
Many people are also concerned about the way in which immigration is leading to rapid cultural and societal change. As the former integration czar Baroness Louise Casey has said, some areas have changed ‘beyond recognition’ in a very short space of time. Indeed, this process is accelerating, with a number of communities finding that their local way of life is being very rapidly changed.
Many also believe that the abysmal failure to effectively control immigration on the part of the government is having a harmful impact on public safety and on fundamental British values such as freedom of expression and religion, as well as equality of opportunity for women and for those in the LGBTQ+ community.
The scale of immigration over the past 20 years is unprecedented in our history. The UK has always experienced periods of immigration never on remotely the same scale as that which we have witnessed over the past two decades or so (see a history of immigration to the UK).
In 1997, net migration was just 47,000. In the years that followed it rose to well over 200,000 and reached 267,000 in 2005. Under the last Labour government (1997-2010) an extra 3.6 million foreign migrants arrived, while one million British citizens left.
The coalition government elected in 2010 pledged to reduce net migration to the ‘tens of thousands’ (a promise that was repeated in 2015 and 2017). However, overall net migration rose to a more than a third of a million – even higher than under Labour. This is largely because net migration from the EU doubled over the last Parliament due to the ongoing disparity in wealth between Eastern Europe and the UK together with the impact of the Eurozone crisis on Southern Europe. This no doubt contributed significantly to the June 2016 referendum result
The current Conservative government has failed to reduce immigration as it promised. In fact, the situation has run out of control in the opposite direction. According to the most recent estimates, net migration stood at nearly 240,000 in the year to June 2021. Meanwhile, more up-to-date Home Office figures suggest that immigration has reached an all-time high, with a record 1.1. million visas for people to come and live in the UK issued over the past year.
Year to June 2022● Entry clearance visa grants (all non-UK): 1,123,127● Of which: Work: 313,233● Of which: Study: 486,868● Of which: Family: 82,324● Of which: Direct immigration of refugees: 240,702
Why is the current level of immigration a problem?
The current population density of England is 429 people per square kilometre (ONS, 2020/21), ahead of the Netherlands which has 423/km2. This makes England the most densely populated nation in Europe. It is 3.5 times as crowded as France (116/km2) and just under twice as crowded as Germany (232/km2). The UK as a whole (271/km2) is also the most crowded large country in Europe.
High immigration is driving rapid population growth. New data from the 2021 Census shows that 57.5% of the growth of the population of England and Wales. was due to the direct impact of net immigration, while a significant share of so-called ‘natural increase’ is also related to immigration (i.e. a result of births to non-UK born parents). Indeed, we have calculated that well-over four-fifths of total population growth since 2001 was due directly or indirectly to immigration, rising to 90% in 2017-19 and probably higher still since then.
The UK population stood at 67 million in 2020/21 (and rose by eight million or so over the previous twenty years, with about seven million of this directly or indirectly linked to immigration).
Net migration has averaged around 250,000 per year over the past two decades. Every two years the ONS makes a set of projections setting out how it thinks the size of the UK population will change over the course of the next few decades. Each projection factors in different expected levels of immigration. The graph below shows the four most recent such projections and the level of immigration that was factored in. The 2018-projection estimated that international immigration would account for 79% of total projected growth over the decade until mid-2028
Under all these projections the population looks set to rise further from its present record size of 67 million (as of 2020), hitting 70 million over the next 10 to 15 years. As a result of such growth, huge amounts will have to be spent on the expansion of school places, roads, rail, health and other infrastructure (read more about the impact of immigration on public services and infrastructure).
For example, in 2019-2020 there were nearly 700,000 new GP registrations by migrants
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Post by see2 on Jan 31, 2023 8:36:23 GMT
Let's face it, who wouldn't be rowing their arms off in deadly waters to reach the land of milk and honey. Apparently most refugees don't. Refugees by Country 2022 Top 10 Countries Hosting the Highest Number of International Refugees (mid-2021 data): Turkey — 3,696,831 Jordan — 3,027,729 Uganda — 1,475,311 Pakistan — 1,438,523 Lebanon — 1,338,197 Germany — 1,235,160 Sudan — 1,068,339 Bangladesh — 889,775 Iran — 800,025 Ethiopia — 782,896 ...
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Post by Morgan on Jan 31, 2023 8:48:25 GMT
But of course the Tory government which has the power to change the laws and conditions of residency for all would be immigrants does fuck all but wring its hands in despair while you lot wring your hands and sob "Things would be much worse under Labour."
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Post by Steve on Jan 31, 2023 8:56:45 GMT
So Jonksy you are still too dim to realise there are real asylum cases in those people...
Yes, a vanishingly small minority. The rest are just criminals.
Agreed But Red and his dim mate from Devon want those genuine ones to starve to death.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 31, 2023 9:09:15 GMT
Yes, a vanishingly small minority. The rest are just criminals.
Agreed But Red and his dim mate from Devon want those genuine ones to starve to death. I doubt it. I think that they (and indeed most of us) just want the criminal majority to fuck off.
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Post by Steve on Jan 31, 2023 9:15:44 GMT
Well they're too dim to express themselves clearly then. Just read their posts above, calling food money pocket money and demanding it all stops.
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