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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2023 18:12:07 GMT
LOL - how difficult is this?. When we were in the EU and subject to the Dublin Agreement the other EU countries sent us more asylum seekers than we returned to them - so as an exercise in reducing asylum numbers it failed at the first hurdle. The EU were quite happy to dump asylum seekers on the UK. Please stop telling lies. Just compare the number of migrants pre 2016 to 2022. The EU didn't SEND asylum seekers. That is people trafficking. The asylum seekers crossed open borders, closely monitored by Europol. The EU took in far more asylum seekers than the UK did. LOL - try and understand for once. We are talking about the Dublin Agreement - under the Dublin Agreement 27 other countries sent us their asylum seekers, which far outweighed the number of asylum seekers we sent them. The EU sued the Dublin Agreement to dump asylum seekers on the UK. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 18:13:29 GMT
More asylum seekers were sent to the UK than are currently arriving? Really? Isn't it the case that asylum seekers were crossing the EU and then entering the UK and some of those were sent back under the Dublin Regulations; whereas, none are currently being sent back. LOL - how difficult is this?. When we were in the EU and subject to the Dublin Agreement the other EU countries sent us more asylum seekers than we returned to them - so as an exercise in reducing asylum numbers it failed at the first hurdle. The EU were quite happy to dump asylum seekers on the UK. How did the asylum seekers who were returned to the EU under the Dublin Regulations get to the UK? They crossed the EU, right? So, there was a time when a percentage of those who crossed the EU to get to the UK were being returned. That's no longer the case. Instead, those were being 'sent to the UK' under the Dublin Regulations are arriving by dinghy along with a lot of others who now can't be returned. LOL!! |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 28, 2023 18:16:12 GMT
car manufacturing in Germany has also fallen since 2016 - is that due to Brexit as well? I never realised we were so powerful..  
Just checked this. Percentage wise UK manufacturing fell marginally faster, but its nominal. So I would say Jonsky's right here. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2023 18:38:01 GMT
LOL - how difficult is this?. When we were in the EU and subject to the Dublin Agreement the other EU countries sent us more asylum seekers than we returned to them - so as an exercise in reducing asylum numbers it failed at the first hurdle. The EU were quite happy to dump asylum seekers on the UK. How did the asylum seekers who were returned to the EU under the Dublin Regulations get to the UK? They crossed the EU, right? So, there was a time when a percentage of those who crossed the EU to get to the UK were being returned. That's no longer the case. Instead, those were being 'sent to the UK' under the Dublin Regulations are arriving by dinghy along with a lot of others who now can't be returned. LOL!! FFS - are all EU supporters this thick. I'll try and make it simple for you. Under the Dublin Agreement we ended up with more Asylum Seekers than we started with.. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 28, 2023 18:43:54 GMT
Please stop telling lies. Just compare the number of migrants pre 2016 to 2022. The EU didn't SEND asylum seekers. That is people trafficking. The asylum seekers crossed open borders, closely monitored by Europol. The EU took in far more asylum seekers than the UK did. LOL - try and understand for once. We are talking about the Dublin Agreement - under the Dublin Agreement 27 other countries sent us their asylum seekers, which far outweighed the number of asylum seekers we sent them. The EU sued the Dublin Agreement to dump asylum seekers on the UK. So we are now being gaslighted by Ex remainers who accuse leavers of telling and believing lies? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 18:46:49 GMT
FFS - are all EU supporters this thick. Rhetorical question, obviously. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 18:48:46 GMT
How did the asylum seekers who were returned to the EU under the Dublin Regulations get to the UK? They crossed the EU, right? So, there was a time when a percentage of those who crossed the EU to get to the UK were being returned. That's no longer the case. Instead, those were being 'sent to the UK' under the Dublin Regulations are arriving by dinghy along with a lot of others who now can't be returned. LOL!! FFS - are all EU supporters this thick. I'll try and make it simple for you. Under the Dublin Agreement we ended up with more Asylum Seekers than we started with.. 1) Compare the number of asylum seekers arriving now with the number that were arriving when the Dublin Regulations acted as a deterrent. 2) Compare the number of asylum seekers being returned to the EU now with the number who were being returned before the UK withdrew from the Dublin Regulations. And I take considerable exception to being called thick. You've ruined my day. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 18:52:11 GMT
LOL - try and understand for once. We are talking about the Dublin Agreement - under the Dublin Agreement 27 other countries sent us their asylum seekers, which far outweighed the number of asylum seekers we sent them. The EU sued the Dublin Agreement to dump asylum seekers on the UK. So we are now being gaslighted by Ex remainers who accuse leavers of telling and believing lies? 65% have been successfully 'gaslighted' so far. Though, I expect the whining and blubbing has helped. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 19:02:53 GMT
FFS - are all EU supporters this thick. I'll try and make it simple for you. Under the Dublin Agreement we ended up with more Asylum Seekers than we started with.. 1) Compare the number of asylum seekers arriving now with the number that were arriving when the Dublin Regulations acted as a deterrent. 2) Compare the number of asylum seekers being returned to the EU now with the number who were being returned before the UK withdrew from the Dublin Regulations. And I take considerable exception to being called thick. You've ruined my day. Define asylum seeker. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 19:04:46 GMT
1) Compare the number of asylum seekers arriving now with the number that were arriving when the Dublin Regulations acted as a deterrent. 2) Compare the number of asylum seekers being returned to the EU now with the number who were being returned before the UK withdrew from the Dublin Regulations. And I take considerable exception to being called thick. You've ruined my day. Define asylum seeker. Those turning up in a country seeking asylum, whether their application is granted or denied. The opening sections of the Refugee Convention give a fuller definition. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 19:11:04 GMT
Those turning up in a country seeking asylum, whether their application is granted or denied. The opening sections of the Refugee Convention give a fuller definition. What does the 1951 Refugee Convention say about people fleeing from a safe country, France, or Albania for instance? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 19:12:55 GMT
Those turning up in a country seeking asylum, whether their application is granted or denied. The opening sections of the Refugee Convention give a fuller definition. What does the 1951 Refugee Convention say about people fleeing from a safe country, France, or Albania for instance? It says nothing about fleeing a safe country. It permits asylum seekers to transit safe countries en route to their final destination, though. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 28, 2023 19:14:39 GMT
1) Compare the number of asylum seekers arriving now with the number that were arriving when the Dublin Regulations acted as a deterrent. 2) Compare the number of asylum seekers being returned to the EU now with the number who were being returned before the UK withdrew from the Dublin Regulations. And I take considerable exception to being called thick. You've ruined my day. Define asylum seeker. The problem you have here Red is that many folks consider anyone seeking asylum as an asylum seeker. A bit like seeing a bunch of drug dealers and asking who's innocent. The answer is all of them until found guilty. But the real answer is they're a bunch of drug dealers so of course they're guilty. In case you're confused (Yes I am on your side here) |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 19:18:34 GMT
What does the 1951 Refugee Convention say about people fleeing from a safe country, France, or Albania for instance? It says nothing about fleeing a safe country. It permits asylum seekers to transit safe countries en route to their final destination, though. So the thousands of Albanians, Albania being a safe country, who are fleeing from France, France being another safe country, who step onto Kent beaches and claim to be asylum seekers, are in fact, illegals? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 19:23:47 GMT
It says nothing about fleeing a safe country. It permits asylum seekers to transit safe countries en route to their final destination, though. So the thousands of Albanians, Albania being a safe country, who are fleeing from France, France being another safe country, who step onto Kent beaches and claim to be asylum seekers, are in fact, illegals? They act illegally under international law if their point of origin was not a place of danger. The UK acts illegally under international law if it does not assess their applications in accordance with the rules of natural justice. The UK is perfectly entitled to deport them if they have been found not to have originated from a place of danger provided it has first complied with the rules of natural justice. |
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