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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 23:29:52 GMT
Well, maybe it'll help if you think of it another way: the UK government, as a signatory of the Refugee Convention, has a duty to hear every asylum application. That's not the same thing as saying that a fake refugee has a right to asylum. He doesn't. Once the government has carried out its duty to consider the application, it can deport him if it finds he is not a genuine asylum seeker. The Convention clearly sets out what an asylum seeker is. Someone from a safe country, such as Albania, by the rules of the Convention you're so fond of mentioning, cannot be an asylum seeker. That person is an illegal migrant or an economic migrant. Yes. That's right. They're not a refugee if they were never in danger in the country they have fled. But whether they have a legitimate asylum claim can only be determined after a hearing. So, the UK Government has a duty to give them a fair hearing. If that hearing determines they are not a genuine refugee, they are not entitled to asylum. Furthermore, the Refugee Convention grants only genuine refugees immunity from prosecution for entering the UK illegally; so, not being genuine refugees, they are subject to any legal punishment the UK legislature should choose to inflict on them. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 28, 2023 23:37:53 GMT
The Convention clearly sets out what an asylum seeker is. Someone from a safe country, such as Albania, by the rules of the Convention you're so fond of mentioning, cannot be an asylum seeker. That person is an illegal migrant or an economic migrant. Yes. That's right. They're not a refugee if they were never in danger in the country they have fled. But whether they have a legitimate asylum claim can only be determined after a hearing. So, the UK Government has a duty to give them a fair hearing. If that hearing determines they are not a genuine refugee, they are not entitled to asylum. Furthermore, the Refugee Convention grants only genuine refugees immunity from prosecution for entering the UK illegally; so, not being genuine refugees, they are subject to any legal punishment the UK legislature should choose to inflict on them. Does that include locking them up and subjecting them to Westlife turned all the way up to 11? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 23:39:35 GMT
Yes. That's right. They're not a refugee if they were never in danger in the country they have fled. But whether they have a legitimate asylum claim can only be determined after a hearing. So, the UK Government has a duty to give them a fair hearing. If that hearing determines they are not a genuine refugee, they are not entitled to asylum. Furthermore, the Refugee Convention grants only genuine refugees immunity from prosecution for entering the UK illegally; so, not being genuine refugees, they are subject to any legal punishment the UK legislature should choose to inflict on them. Does that include locking them up and subjecting them to Westlife turned all the way up to 11? Yes, but only after Red has pulled out all their teeth with a pliers. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 28, 2023 23:46:50 GMT
Does that include locking them up and subjecting them to Westlife turned all the way up to 11? Yes, but only after Red has pulled out all their teeth with a pliers. That's only so they can't gnaw their own ears off. Red is nothing if not a humanitarian. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 23:48:15 GMT
Yes, but only after Red has pulled out all their teeth with a pliers. That's only so they can't gnaw their own ears off. Red is nothing if not a humanitarian. Red is a living saint. That's not in dispute. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 29, 2023 0:22:07 GMT
Oh dear, ZG that's not very festive. Apologies. But I had already put the numbers is big to draw your attention to them. Anyway, I think we can agree that the UK drop in car sales in 2016 was not caused by Covid. Do you think it was caused by being in the Single Market and Customs Union then? Because in 2016, the UK was still in both. Right up until 2020. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 6:59:13 GMT
Then they will be refused asylum and returned to Albania. No they won't, some lefty lawyer at tax payers expense will launch an appeal that takes years by which time he's done two stretches in prison and impregnated some unfortunate girl which means it's against his human rights to remove him. Repeat a million times. We are idiots. Actually most of them disappear shortly after they are put up in a hotel. They join the ever growing county lines drug gangs. So in their case the best deterrent would be to lock them up while they are processed. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 7:03:12 GMT
Apologies. But I had already put the numbers is big to draw your attention to them. Anyway, I think we can agree that the UK drop in car sales in 2016 was not caused by Covid. Do you think it was caused by being in the Single Market and Customs Union then? Because in 2016, the UK was still in both. Right up until 2020. No I don't. I posted earlier that having looked up the figures the fall in car sales in Germany was not that different to the UK. Having discovered this I stated Jonsky was right on that point. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2023 8:15:11 GMT
If we ended up with more asylum seekers who was deterred? A system that increases the number of asylum seekers is a deterrent - who knew..  You feeling okay, Doc? The number of asylum seekers went through the roof after the Dublin Regulations were no longer applicable. The number of asylum seekers removed by the Dublin Regulation was less than the number of asylum seekers we received under the Dublin Regulation. We were simply a dumping ground for the EU's unwanted refugees - no wonder the EU want us back in the system.. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 8:35:55 GMT
You feeling okay, Doc? The number of asylum seekers went through the roof after the Dublin Regulations were no longer applicable. The number of asylum seekers removed by the Dublin Regulation was less than the number of asylum seekers we received under the Dublin Regulation. We were simply a dumping ground for the EU's unwanted refugees - no wonder the EU want us back in the system.. Yet they take far more than we do. Perhaps they just want us to take our share. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 29, 2023 8:41:44 GMT
The number of asylum seekers removed by the Dublin Regulation was less than the number of asylum seekers we received under the Dublin Regulation. We were simply a dumping ground for the EU's unwanted refugees - no wonder the EU want us back in the system.. Yet they take far more than we do. Perhaps they just want us to take our share. Dopey, we don't have a share. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 9:03:44 GMT
Yet they take far more than we do. Perhaps they just want us to take our share. Dopey, we don't have a share. Indeed. But some of us liked the UK being known as fair. Our share... |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 29, 2023 9:54:47 GMT
So we are now being gaslighted by Ex remainers who accuse leavers of telling and believing lies? 65% have been successfully 'gaslighted' so far. Though, I expect the whining and blubbing has helped. Nope.65% of a poll . But keep clinging on to that though. Ex remainers need some cheering up .👍 |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 10:03:52 GMT
65% have been successfully 'gaslighted' so far. Though, I expect the whining and blubbing has helped. Nope.65% of a poll . But keep clinging on to that though. Ex remainers need some cheering up .👍 Clocks ticking. EU here we come   |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 29, 2023 10:06:07 GMT
Nope.65% of a poll . But keep clinging on to that though. Ex remainers need some cheering up .👍 Clocks ticking. EU here we come Attaboy. Keep your spirits up with a game of let’s pretend 👍 |
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