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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 22:45:33 GMT
How can an Albanian of dubious age step onto a Kent beach, after paying a people trafficker in France lol, and say he's a 14 year old Albanian who is claiming asylum? It's nonsense. According to the UN Albania and every country he travelled through to get to England are safe countries. Let me remind you, again. "An asylum seeker is an immigrant who has been forcibly displaced and might have fled their home country because of war or other factors harming them or their family".
Get in the bin. That's right, Red. That's exactly what an asylum seeker is. So what? The Refugee Convention gives asylum seekers the right to choose where they want to claim asylum. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 22:50:02 GMT
1) Compare the number of asylum seekers arriving now with the number that were arriving when the Dublin Regulations acted as a deterrent. If we ended up with more asylum seekers who was deterred? A system that increases the number of asylum seekers is a deterrent - who knew..  You feeling okay, Doc? The number of asylum seekers went through the roof after the Dublin Regulations were no longer applicable. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:00:18 GMT
How can an Albanian of dubious age step onto a Kent beach, after paying a people trafficker in France lol, and say he's a 14 year old Albanian who is claiming asylum? It's nonsense. According to the UN Albania and every country he travelled through to get to England are safe countries. Let me remind you, again. "An asylum seeker is an immigrant who has been forcibly displaced and might have fled their home country because of war or other factors harming them or their family".
Get in the bin. Then they will be refused asylum and returned to Albania. No they won't, some lefty lawyer at tax payers expense will launch an appeal that takes years by which time he's done two stretches in prison and impregnated some unfortunate girl which means it's against his human rights to remove him. Repeat a million times. We are idiots. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 28, 2023 23:04:36 GMT
Then they will be refused asylum and returned to Albania. No they won't, some lefty lawyer at tax payers expense will launch an appeal that takes years by which time he's done two stretches in prison and impregnated some unfortunate girl which means it's against his human rights to remove him. Repeat a million times. We are idiots. If the Tories didn't keep cutting public services we could have them on a plane back home a shit load quicker. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:06:01 GMT
How can an Albanian of dubious age step onto a Kent beach, after paying a people trafficker in France lol, and say he's a 14 year old Albanian who is claiming asylum? It's nonsense. According to the UN Albania and every country he travelled through to get to England are safe countries. Let me remind you, again. "An asylum seeker is an immigrant who has been forcibly displaced and might have fled their home country because of war or other factors harming them or their family".
Get in the bin. That's right, Red. That's exactly what an asylum seeker is. So what? The Refugee Convention gives asylum seekers the right to choose where they want to claim asylum. So in your opinion, Albanians are being forcibly displaced from their home country? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 23:10:13 GMT
That's right, Red. That's exactly what an asylum seeker is. So what? The Refugee Convention gives asylum seekers the right to choose where they want to claim asylum. So in your opinion, Albanians are being forcibly displaced from their home country? No. They're leaving voluntarily (in most cases, at least). But everyone has a right to have their application heard, otherwise the Refugee Convention would be pointless. As Monte has pointed out, it's just a case of speeding up that process and getting them on a plane back home if their application is refused. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:11:30 GMT
No they won't, some lefty lawyer at tax payers expense will launch an appeal that takes years by which time he's done two stretches in prison and impregnated some unfortunate girl which means it's against his human rights to remove him. Repeat a million times. We are idiots. If the Tories didn't keep cutting public services we could have them on a plane back home a shit load quicker. Public services are nothing to do with it. Public services or the lack of, are not the reason lefty lawyers at tax payers expense use the ECtHR and the HRA to ensure foreign criminals are given leave to reside, or settlement, in this country. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:15:31 GMT
So in your opinion, Albanians are being forcibly displaced from their home country? No. They're leaving voluntarily (in most cases, at least). But everyone has a right to have their application heard, otherwise the Refugee Convention would be pointless. As Monte has pointed out, it's just a case of speeding up that process and getting them on a plane back home if their application is refused. No you're wrong. A criminal from a safe country has no right to apply for asylum. I accept that they do, but that's down to lunatic lefty lawyers who insist 28 year old Adil is a 14 year old poor downtrodden refugee. We are the laughing stock of the world. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 28, 2023 23:15:58 GMT
If the Tories didn't keep cutting public services we could have them on a plane back home a shit load quicker. Public services are nothing to do with it. Public services or the lack of, are not the reason lefty lawyers at tax payers expense use the ECtHR and the HRA to ensure foreign criminals are given leave to reside, or settlement, in this country. You don't approve of human rights? You don't believe in the right to legal representation? Are you or have you ever been a Communist? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:18:01 GMT
Public services are nothing to do with it. Public services or the lack of, are not the reason lefty lawyers at tax payers expense use the ECtHR and the HRA to ensure foreign criminals are given leave to reside, or settlement, in this country. You don't approve of human rights? You don't believe in the right to legal representation? Are you or have you ever been a Communist? As anyone with an IQ in double figures knows, human rights are being trashed by foreign criminals and lefty lawyers. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 28, 2023 23:19:04 GMT
No. They're leaving voluntarily (in most cases, at least). But everyone has a right to have their application heard, otherwise the Refugee Convention would be pointless. As Monte has pointed out, it's just a case of speeding up that process and getting them on a plane back home if their application is refused. No you're wrong. A criminal from a safe country has no right to apply for asylum. I accept that they do, but that's down to lunatic lefty lawyers who insist 28 year old Adil is a 14 year old poor downtrodden refugee. We are the laughing stock of the world. Well, maybe it'll help if you think of it another way: the UK government, as a signatory of the Refugee Convention, has a duty to hear every asylum application. That's not the same thing as saying that a fake refugee has a right to asylum. He doesn't. Once the government has carried out its duty to consider the application, it can deport him if it finds he is not a genuine asylum seeker. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 28, 2023 23:22:35 GMT
You don't approve of human rights? You don't believe in the right to legal representation? Are you or have you ever been a Communist? As anyone with an IQ in double figures knows, human rights are being trashed by foreign criminals and lefty lawyers. If only there was a court of human rights to defend us from abuse. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:23:45 GMT
No you're wrong. A criminal from a safe country has no right to apply for asylum. I accept that they do, but that's down to lunatic lefty lawyers who insist 28 year old Adil is a 14 year old poor downtrodden refugee. We are the laughing stock of the world. Well, maybe it'll help if you think of it another way: the UK government, as a signatory of the Refugee Convention, has a duty to hear every asylum application. That's not the same thing as saying that a fake refugee has a right to asylum. He doesn't. Once the government has carried out its duty to consider the application, it can deport him if it finds he is not a genuine asylum seeker. The Convention clearly sets out what an asylum seeker is. Someone from a safe country, such as Albania, by the rules of the Convention you're so fond of mentioning, cannot be an asylum seeker. That person is an illegal migrant or an economic migrant. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 23:26:22 GMT
As anyone with an IQ in double figures knows, human rights are being trashed by foreign criminals and lefty lawyers. If only there was a court of human rights to defend us from abuse. See a lefty lawyer, I'm sure he could come up with something, at public expense of course. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 28, 2023 23:29:22 GMT
If only there was a court of human rights to defend us from abuse. See a lefty lawyer, I'm sure he could come up with something, at public expense of course. He won't win without a solid case though. |
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