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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 9, 2023 12:37:00 GMT
Sunak, according to the left: Goes private = Rich bastard who doesn't understand ordinary people. Uses NHS = Rich bastard stealing resources from ordinary people. On the contrary. We all know he uses private health care but like most Tories he lies, or more correctly refuses to comment, about it. If people can afford private there is no problem unless private patients are 'hindering' poorer patients from receiving treatment. And how might they do that? |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 9, 2023 12:45:40 GMT
Good question, they can't it is one less patient for the NHS to treat
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 9, 2023 12:53:31 GMT
Private patients jumping NHS queue
cash-strapped NHS hospital is offering patients the chance to pay for operations to avoid a lengthy wait. Family doctors are being asked to tell those needing hip and knee replacements they can jump the queue by paying thousands for 'routine' surgery.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 9, 2023 13:21:46 GMT
On the contrary. We all know he uses private health care but like most Tories he lies, or more correctly refuses to comment, about it. If people can afford private there is no problem unless private patients are 'hindering' poorer patients from receiving treatment. And how might they do that? Well I think I just said how exactly that works. The consultant being paid to do whatever privately is the same one who sets aside his NHS patients. The consultant who sees you for your first consultation next week for £200 for 15 minutes gets you leap frogged over the NHS patients who can’t pay that or don’t know they coukd. A system in which consultants are allowed to practice in both sectors is preordained to screw the nhs patients over. And a system that trains the staff and limits their scope to one sector will soon have no takers |
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 13:34:49 GMT
Anyone who has a decent job has private healthcare - Sunak was a prat for not simply admitting this. Agreed.
Plus, I expect and want anyone with his national responsibilities to have their healthcare funded by the country — politicians' remuneration in the UK is not that great when compared to leaders of major companies...
Executive pay levels at FTSE 100 companies are largely back to pre-pandemic levels, PwC analysis following the end of the 2022 AGM season shows.
The average total pay of CEOs has returned to pre-covid level, increasing from £3.2m in 2020/21 to £3.9m in 2021/22, primarily driven by an increase in annual bonuses. The 2022 AGM season also saw a decrease in the proportion of CEOs with salary freezes, down from 43% in 2021 to 15% in 2022.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 9, 2023 14:02:07 GMT
Anyone who has a decent job has private healthcare - Sunak was a prat for not simply admitting this. I agree but it is his private life, some employers these days actually provide Private Medical Insurance for key employees should they need treatment and or surgery it means they can get back to work quicker |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 14:11:24 GMT
Anyone who has a decent job has private healthcare - Sunak was a prat for not simply admitting this. I agree but it is his private life, some employers these days actually provide Private Medical Insurance for key employees should they need treatment and or surgery it means they can get back to work quicker Flybe used to do it and even after it went tits up ex employees were still offered free medical care. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 9, 2023 14:58:31 GMT
And how might they do that? Well I think I just said how exactly that works. The consultant being paid to do whatever privately is the same one who sets aside his NHS patients. The consultant who sees you for your first consultation next week for £200 for 15 minutes gets you leap frogged over the NHS patients who can’t pay that or don’t know they coukd. A system in which consultants are allowed to practice in both sectors is preordained to screw the nhs patients over. And a system that trains the staff and limits their scope to one sector will soon have no takers I disagree if you have private medical insurance in England which by the way is cheaper than it has ever been as little as £30 or slightly less per month, both my wife and I have had such insurance for years, wife actually works in the Operating Theatre of a Private Hospital. As and when either of us needs to call on our Insurance its is very simple, we ask our GP for a referral letter to set up an appointment with a Consultant at our local Private Hospital pay her fee of £20 , you then send that referral letter to the Medical Insurance company who takes over and arranges everything. You attend the Private Hospital the appointment is made and the Consultant Surgeon will decide if you need an operation or not, Consultant Surgeons can and do work in both sectors , within the NHS and the Private Sector in their spare time, depending on how many hours per day they are contracted to work within the NHS, some that work in Private Hospitals have either left or have retired from the NHS and some only work a few days a week in a Private Hospital. Date and time is set for your op at the Private Hospital and that's it, you don't go anywhere near an NHS Hospital so not jumping any NHS waiting lists, job done |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 9, 2023 15:04:04 GMT
Well I think I just said how exactly that works. The consultant being paid to do whatever privately is the same one who sets aside his NHS patients. The consultant who sees you for your first consultation next week for £200 for 15 minutes gets you leap frogged over the NHS patients who can’t pay that or don’t know they coukd. A system in which consultants are allowed to practice in both sectors is preordained to screw the nhs patients over. And a system that trains the staff and limits their scope to one sector will soon have no takers I disagree if you have private medical insurance in England which by the way is cheaper than it has ever been as little as £30 or slightly less per month, both my wife and I have had such insurance for years, wife actually works in the Operating Theatre of a Private Hospital. As and when either of us needs to call on our Insurance its is very simple, we ask our GP for a referral letter to set up an appointment with a Consultant at our local Private Hospital pay her fee of £20 , you then send that referral letter to the Medical Insurance company who takes over and arranges everything. You attend the Private Hospital the appointment is made and the Consultant Surgeon will decide if you need an operation or not, Consultant Surgeons can and do work in both sectors , within the NHS and the Private Sector in their spare time, depending on how many hours per day they are contracted to work within the NHS, some that work in Private Hospitals have either left or have retired from the NHS and some only work a few days a week in a Private Hospital. Date and time is set for your op at the Private Hospital and that's it, you don't go anywhere near an NHS Hospital so not jumping any NHS waiting lists, job done Except you will find the consultant providing your product care healthcare is THE SAME consultant as the one servicing the NHS patients that’s the reason for the queue getting longer … |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 9, 2023 15:23:09 GMT
I disagree if you have private medical insurance in England which by the way is cheaper than it has ever been as little as £30 or slightly less per month, both my wife and I have had such insurance for years, wife actually works in the Operating Theatre of a Private Hospital. As and when either of us needs to call on our Insurance its is very simple, we ask our GP for a referral letter to set up an appointment with a Consultant at our local Private Hospital pay her fee of £20 , you then send that referral letter to the Medical Insurance company who takes over and arranges everything. You attend the Private Hospital the appointment is made and the Consultant Surgeon will decide if you need an operation or not, Consultant Surgeons can and do work in both sectors , within the NHS and the Private Sector in their spare time, depending on how many hours per day they are contracted to work within the NHS, some that work in Private Hospitals have either left or have retired from the NHS and some only work a few days a week in a Private Hospital. Date and time is set for your op at the Private Hospital and that's it, you don't go anywhere near an NHS Hospital so not jumping any NHS waiting lists, job done Except you will find the consultant providing your product care healthcare is THE SAME consultant as the one servicing the NHS patients that’s the reason for the queue getting longer … I did point that out in my post, they have to work the hours they are contracted to work within NHS to comply with their contract, they work in Private Hospitals in their spare time and arrange ops when they are not scheduled to work in the NHS,. The queues are getting longer in the NHS because of the sheer number of patients they deal with week in week out, what also delays surgery in the NHS is patients not turning up, it throws the entire schedule out Surgeons may well be operating in one NHS Hospital in the morning and a different one in the afternoon |
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Post by Morgan on Jan 9, 2023 15:24:11 GMT
The only solution is to means test patients. Charge patients £5 to £10 to see a GP. One thing I have noticed is that propietary medication (Cough medication, allergy treatments etc.) have rocketed in price. Paracetamol was 29p now 62p.
As usual, someone somewhere is making a fortune out of the public.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 15:28:07 GMT
The only solution is to means test patients. Charge patients £5 to £10 to see a GP. One thing I have noticed is that propietary medication (Cough medication, allergy treatments etc.) have rocketed in price. Paracetamol was 29p now 62p. As usual, someone somewhere is making a fortune out of the public. I thought that old fool Clarke had gone tits up years ago. Middle-class families could face 'modest' charges to see GP and have routine ops under plans put forward by veteran Tory Ken Clarke to save the NHS Tory Ken Clarke says NHS may soon need to start charging wealthier Britons Such charges could include a flat fee to see a GP or for some routine procedures Comes as NHS is in crisis with A&E wait times soaring amid a surge in demand But Rishi Sunak insists he hasn't left it too late to help alleviate NHS pressures www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11614055/Middle-class-face-modest-charges-use-GPs-minor-ops-plans-save-NHS.html |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 9, 2023 15:41:13 GMT
The only solution is to means test patients. Charge patients £5 to £10 to see a GP. One thing I have noticed is that propietary medication (Cough medication, allergy treatments etc.) have rocketed in price. Paracetamol was 29p now 62p. As usual, someone somewhere is making a fortune out of the public. I thought that old fool Clarke had gone tits up years ago. Middle-class families could face 'modest' charges to see GP and have routine ops under plans put forward by veteran Tory Ken Clarke to save the NHS Tory Ken Clarke says NHS may soon need to start charging wealthier Britons Such charges could include a flat fee to see a GP or for some routine procedures Comes as NHS is in crisis with A&E wait times soaring amid a surge in demand But Rishi Sunak insists he hasn't left it too late to help alleviate NHS pressures www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11614055/Middle-class-face-modest-charges-use-GPs-minor-ops-plans-save-NHS.htmlThere's no denying we do have hypochondriacs taking up and wasting valuable GP and NHS time.
I suppose charging people would root out the time wasters, but it's like the old saying about the boy who cried wolf, no telling when any of these hypochondriacs on low incomes could become seriously ill and die, then Labour would say they died because they couldn't afford to see a GP ... their double standard hypocrisy would come shining through.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 16:18:53 GMT
I thought that old fool Clarke had gone tits up years ago. Middle-class families could face 'modest' charges to see GP and have routine ops under plans put forward by veteran Tory Ken Clarke to save the NHS Tory Ken Clarke says NHS may soon need to start charging wealthier Britons Such charges could include a flat fee to see a GP or for some routine procedures Comes as NHS is in crisis with A&E wait times soaring amid a surge in demand But Rishi Sunak insists he hasn't left it too late to help alleviate NHS pressures www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11614055/Middle-class-face-modest-charges-use-GPs-minor-ops-plans-save-NHS.htmlThere's no denying we do have hypochondriacs taking up and wasting valuable GP and NHS time.
I suppose charging people would root out the time wasters, but it's like the old saying about the boy who cried wolf, no telling when any of these hypochondriacs on low incomes could become seriously ill and die, then Labour would say they died because they couldn't afford to see a GP ... their double standard hypocrisy would come shining through.
If we started charging people to see a GP, millions of struggling poorer people wouldnt go. Some would die as a result of things like cancers not being caught early enough. I would go along with charging people for missing appointments though. Poverty is no excuse for screwing the system around. If you cannot keep an appointment, at least cancel in good time so that the slot is not wasted. The talk is of making the better off pay modest charges. But how well off do you have to be to be eligible to be charged? It would most likely end up being applied to most people not on means tested benefits. And who decides what a modest charge is? The powers that be on their high salaries might regard a tenner as a modest charge but it really isn't to anyone on the breadline or not far above it. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 9, 2023 16:25:45 GMT
There's no denying we do have hypochondriacs taking up and wasting valuable GP and NHS time.
I suppose charging people would root out the time wasters, but it's like the old saying about the boy who cried wolf, no telling when any of these hypochondriacs on low incomes could become seriously ill and die, then Labour would say they died because they couldn't afford to see a GP ... their double standard hypocrisy would come shining through.
If we started charging people to see a GP, millions of struggling poorer people wouldnt go. Some would die as a result of things like cancers not being caught early enough. I would go along with charging people for missing appointments though. Poverty is no excuse for screwing the system around. If you cannot keep an appointment, at least cancel in good time so that the slot is not wasted. The talk is of making the better off pay modest charges. But how well off do you have to be to be eligible to be charged? It would most likely end up being applied to most people not on means tested benefits. And who decides what a modest charge is? The powers that be on their high salaries might regard a tenner as a modest charge but it really isn't to anyone on the breadline or not far above it. It's a bit of a grey area.
I'd probably be a bit uncomfortable with it, because even high earners are probably living beyond their means, they might look good on paper, asset rich cash poor, maybe if it was on a voluntary basis those that can afford it give what they can, and those who can't give what they can.
Obviously those donations would have to go directly in to the NHS support fund, and not syphoned off in to woke snowflake diversity nonsense.
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