First thread the uk and Scotland

Ah so matey what you are beleiving is that in GERS is that Scotland is responsible for 60% of the UK deficit. And you swallow that garbage. What it is telling you you is what Westminster spends on behalf of Scotland not necessary in Scotland.  Such as the cost of the Home Office. And debt servicing.  Which Scotland is not responsible for. Let me give you a example.  Last year the UK government  has a PSBR of som £320 billion. Would you care to point to where the £32 billion came to Scotland to be spent by he Scots in Scotland.  After all the Scottish tax payer has to pay it back.  Then could you give me the same for the year before and the year before that  What GERs is telling you is TOTAL UK PUBLIC EXPENDIURE.  

Which means all the tax intakes from UK borrowing and all the borrowing  from UK local authorities added together and divided on a population basis. That means matey.  Yorkshire has the same population as Scotland.  So the exact same criteria applies to Yorkshire.  What GERs is not telling you is what a indy Scotland would have.  Such as 100% of oil and gas.  They are considered UK assets.  Or corporation tax and the tax intake of some 400,000 who work in that sector.  Or the down stream tax on all that. Not as 8.4% sharfe.  But a 100% share.  As that money now is paying for the £600 pound every house hold in the UK is getting of Scotland money by the UJK government. And a million and one similar anomalies, such as corporation tax on firms such as Asda.

And what has the likes of the £4 billion on London sewage or the billions on the HSL or the billions on London transport such as the Jubilee line, amongst  million of the Englsih local authority borrowing has  to do with Scotland  defies the hell out of me.. And what it is not saying. Is a Scotland on its own.  Or if it had been it would have a welfare fund of some £600 billion such as that accrued by Norway. That drivel matey is yours.  As you do not understand how it works. Not to mention.  Over the last 40 years Scotland has contributed 9.6% of all Uk tax with 8.4% of the population.  And the only Uk nation to pay its way in the UK.   Not to mention since it took power the ScotGov has underspent  with its own money.  Which does not cost the English tax payer one penny.  Despite your nonsensical  drivel to the contrary.  And as the risk assessment  man rants more nonsensical drivel.  You still have not told me what this risk assessment is. Or how your risk assessment arrived a the conclusion Scotland would be worse off out of the UK.  When the UK debt ridden figures prove  otherwise.    Your figures matey from your risk assessment. For capital's read bold. I am sure it was beyond you to work it out. It is impressing nobody but you. I am still waiting on answers  to your UK court. 

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/08/21/the-gers-data-is-ludicrous-scotland-does-not-generate-60-of-the-uks-net-fiscal-deficit/
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-has-scotland-subsidised-the-rest-of-the-uk
www.businessforscotland.com/revealed-the-accounting-trick-that-hides-scotlands-wealth/

Levelling up.  What a complete and utter load of guff from Jack the Ripper. The man who never was, From the rfeicanastion of Bojoke the muppet king. Levelling up is just another utterly meaningless soundbite. On the same level as Brexit means brexit.. Lets take back control, and all that Havering slavering drivel. To get Johnston through his next lie. And for clowns to belief. On the same level as a North Korean whitewash. It is bullshit to cover up, in the short term the fact that it will be 60% less of what the regions of England and Scotland would have had while it was in the EU. Which will now cost around £2 trillion yes that really is £2,000,000,000,000 to level up. That £2,000,000,000,000 or £2 thousand thousand thousand thousand is what the regions of England have contributed to London over the years, to keep London, the biggest subsidy junky aea in the world,   in a manner they are accustomed to. That is why they can afford 20% of their wages on London Weighting. That is anywhere between £8,000 and you put a figure on it. The Liar King has given £4.8 billion. Ah well only £1.6 trillion to go. Some of that has already been awarded. Guess what. To Tory run councils. So that is a cover up for his next lie. He has of course is now gone.  So Jack lies for him. Or to put it another way.Jobs for the boys coming to a Tory council near you. How anyone can still swallow the absolute utter lying fanny being spewed by Jack, this disgrace to a public office. Really defies the hell out of me. It of course begs the question. Why was levelling up necessary in the first place? Or has that not dawned on you 


www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/15/the-cost-of-boris-johnsons-levelling-up-2tn-says-uk-thinktank
www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/02/levelling-up-funds-awarded-to-local-councils-of-tory-ministers

 

Hi Om15

I agree with you on that one. It's time the uk government managed resources for the population's benefit, not for multi nationals. The same for the first independent Scottish government, if it happens.

I have zero confidence that the uk will do that one. Scotland? Maybe.


Bet you didn't think you'd be making a case for independence.

GERS is an attempt to get to get to grips with Scotland's economic standing and it applies only to Scotland in the Union. An Independent Scotland will not have the same spending priorities as the UK Government. The £30 billion (or however much it is) sum retained by Westminster will probably see increased support for the NHS, increased spending on benefits, pensions etc. rather than buy into weapons of mass destruction, general munitions, warfare and so on.
If Scotland did have a deficit, our government would do what other countries do - borrow. At present Scotland only has very limited borrowing powers, something which is holding us back. 
You seem to be taking the too wee, too poor argument to heart. Numerous states of similar size to, and smaller than, Scotland exist throughout the world. Many were controlled by the Brits and many of them are wealthier now than they ever were under colonial rule. And as T says, all of the former colonies were told they would not be able to run their country without the help of the colonialists.

And the SNP Government balances the books. All administrations since 1999 have done so. It is a legal necessity

Hi vinny

That's factually incorrect. The Scottish government has very limited borrowing powers and the deficit comes from the calculation of the cost of devolved matters added to the cost of reserved and unidentifiable matters. The Scottish government has no control over the last two.

Could you do me a favour?

If you come back to me on this?, please tell me what is specifically wrong with the last paragraph. Do not ignore it and just repeat what you've said already. And answer the question from long ago about why you're so emotionally engaged with the whole issue of scotland and independence.

I'm beginning to think this forum is not the place for me. It's a place where people shout, not debate and ignore others points if the contradict their beliefs.